I received an email today from a person at Joyce Meyer’s Ministries directing me to her website and a page titled: Joyce Meyer Ministries: Response to Senator Grassley Inquiry.
And specifically to a paragraph “explaining” the $23,000 “commode”:
Here is the paragraph about the commode from her website page:
“Regarding the Purchase of a $23,000 Commode – While many have mistakenly associated this piece of furniture with a common household toilet, this particular term actually refers to the classic definition of commode identified by Webster’s Dictionary as, “a tall elegant chest of drawers.” In 2001, when the ministry moved into its current 150,000-square-foot headquarters located in Fenton, Missouri, a significant amount of furniture was needed for the larger facility. This “commode” was one piece of a total of sixty-eight pieces purchased from a single supplier to finish out the interior of the offices. A total of $261,498.21 was paid for these sixty-eight (the majority were significant in size) pieces of furniture. The $23,000 purchase price of this chest of drawers was actually an errant value assigned by the selling agent after the transaction was complete for the entire sixty-eight piece lot. Joyce Meyer Ministries humbly regrets not paying closer attention to specific “assigned values” placed on those pieces that have now led to gross misrepresentations. Joyce Meyer Ministries takes financial stewardship and accountability very seriously, and this oversight serves as an opportunity to only improve future practices.”
Now I work as a Professional Consultant in the Corporate world and there is a name for this type of “explaining away” of questionable activities but I don’t use that phrase and I wont use it here.
But what I can say is their explanation does fit the very worst of “clintonesque” legalese language.
I find it very hard to accept that Joyce Meyer’s Ministries failed to catch an “errant assigned value” of this size for something that was supposed to be nothing more than one set of office drawers on an order of sixty-eight of the same “drawers”.
What they are doing in this publicity exercise is the same as any faceless corporation does; attempt to silence and marginalize those who call them to account, and then hope that the “storm” passes without any lasting negative financial impact!
Also their supposed Webster’s Definition of what a Commode is: “a tall elegant chest of drawers” is far off the mark of what a commode actually is and oddly enough not what Websters Dictionary itself says:
The actual Webster’s dictionary definition of a commode is:
1: a woman’s ornate cap popular in the late 17th and early 18th centuries
2 a: a low chest of drawers b: a movable washstand with a cupboard underneath c: a boxlike structure holding a chamber pot under an open seat; also : chamber pot d: toilet 3b
Nowhere in the definition does it say what the Joyce Meyers media relations department has released to the public on her website.
Having lived and worked in Europe most of my adult life and a collector of antiques, I know what a commode is and what it looks like, and it in no way could be considered a “Tall Elegant Chest of Drawers” or anything near suitable for use in an office setting!
You would think that if they actually did let a valuation of $23,000 pass for a commode, they would at least get the press release correct on the description of it so there wouldn’t be any further questions about it, but to actually bungle a Webster’s Definition is just unbelievable!
They must consider their supporters Thick as Dirt!
Which to me lends further evidence that their press release is nothing more than an attempt to sweep this issue under the rug in the hope that their profligate spending is not noticed by their supporters thus affecting their financial support!
The Meyers organization just a few years ago built a $20 Million dollar headquarters building most likely built on the back of loans from secular financial institutions. And these financial institutions will only lend this amount of money after reviewing audited financial statements and projected cash flow statements going forward which show that her organization can afford to repay the interest and principal on those loans.
So if it is proven that the Joyce Meyers organization is wasting donations on unnecessary profligate spending and donations decrease substantially then her “money lenders”could call in their loans and if the loans could not be repaid immediately they could begin seizing assets, such as her sixty-eight “commodes”.
And lastly the press release makes absolutely no explanation for the many more thousands spent on plastic surgery for Joyce Meyers and her husband. Ya think maybe 1 Peter 3:3-5 might apply here? And to think those were instructions for people young in the faith, not Spiritual leaders!
What the Joyce Meyers organization does not realize because they have become just another faceless corporate organization is if indeed Joyce Meyers is a true and faithful minister of the Gospel she should never place herself in a position to have to have an outside person or an organization force them to conduct themselves as true spiritual leaders should.
This is not the first time the Joyce Meyers organization has been shown to not be good stewards of donations. It was not that many years ago when it broke in the news that Mrs. Meyers and her husband were being a little too greedy in what they took from the organization in the way of pay and “benefits”.
True Biblical Spiritual Leaders lead by example.
John Baker
True Discernment
True Discernment 
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/commode
The last definition in dictionary.com is:
2. a tall elegant chest of drawers [syn: chiffonier]
That definition doesn’t make much sense considering the other definitions have either arcane meanings or are related to the bathroom.
Here is the definitionof chiffonier, a synonym of commode:
1. a high chest of drawers or bureau, often having a mirror on top.
2. a low bookcase of the English Regency, with grille doors or doorless.
3. a shallow, tall, open piece of furniture, of the 18th century, having shelves for the display of china.
So it’s possible that Meyer’s people found the most inoffensive definition they could find and built a story around it. The bottom line is Meyer is spending a LOT of money and still asks for more.
Hi Guys,
I’m not an expert on toilets, but the bottom line is that it was a misunderstanding. From what I have been told, Joyce is not sitting on a gold encrusted crapper and I believe it.
I can only tell you what I see and that is an organization that spreads a message of hope in Christ to hurting people through broadcasts, conferences and publications. And who takes action in feeding programs all over the world. We were part of an outreach in Cambodia this summer that reached thousands of people.
Our annual report is voluntarily on the website for all to see and the IRS has gone over this place with a fine tooth comb. But for me personally, I would not work here if I did not believe I was making a difference and expanding the kingdom (God’s kingdom that is).
I think this is a good discussion, but at least consider that MAYBE the mainstream media is not always fair and balanced in how they present the facts.
This is my personal view of things- the official explanation is on our website 😉
Thanks for taking a look.
Proverbs 18:17
“The first to present his case seems right, till another comes forward and questions him.”
-Michael 🙂
Michael,
Meyers is feeding the hungry? Didn’t Jesus say something about practicing your righteousness before men? She not only sounds the horn but satellite feeds it to the world.
My comment on the previous post:
Hi John,
You are right, just posting that link was not the coolest thing to do. There are several posts besides yours out there and I was trying to point people to an explanation and I took a shortcut.
I also agree that what is on the website sounds very corporate. Not how I would write or talk personally, but the facts are there.
I can only speak for myself, but I have been impressed with how open this place is with their finances. An annual report is voluntarily published on our website right now that details how all the money is spent. I would not work here if I felt money was being used inappropriately or not going to the programs we support.
I am baffled when I read so many people ripping into us that have only heard one side of the story. You are entitled to your opinion about the ministry and I am not trying to change your mind, I thought you might like to hear another opinion.
I appreciate what you are doing because there is a need for accountability in these matters. Thanks for the dialogue!
-Michael 🙂
Michael,
Thanks for your comments, you might want to read the article again and adress some of the issues raised in it.
I would also like to know your understanding of what a Chistian organization is supposed to look like and how it should function.
I also noticed that you have a website:
http://www.michaeldaehn.com/
And that you wrote a book titled: Marketing the Church
“The latest book by Michael Daehn focuses on helping your church use marketing principles to communicate your purpose and passion in a modern context.”
Now forgive me but I do not think you are in any way helping the image of the Joyce Meyer organization here.
What you are doing is showing that the Joyce Meyer’s organiation has adopted or employees people who believe in using modern corporate methods in a Christian organization such as modern marketing methdods.
Are you aware of the origins of Modern Corporate Marketing?
They have no place in a Christian Organization!
Our “marketing” is supposed to be the Holy Spirit going before us opening doors and hearts to hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ full stop!
Organizations like Joyce Meyers may start out well and good but they reach a tipping point where they begin to use fallen fleshly methods and to rely on them, and when they do this they push the Holy Spirit away and they are left with their own fallen ratinality with which to make decisions and spread “their” message, not God’s Message. And you begin to see things such as we are now with her organization.
Once they have walked away from a Truly Biblical message and true Biblical Methods and have established themselves via a doctrine of Balaam, they use their financial muscle to shape and tailor their message to enhance their wealth and personal influence.
your statements in regards to what Joyce Meyers is doing in places like Cambodia does not mean much if the methods she uses are not Biblical.
In Christian Organizations the end does not justify the means.
The end result is people like Paula White who thinks there is nothing wrong with an “amicable” divorce as a “Christian” with her “Chrstian” husband and then the both of them thinking they can continue with their respective “Christian” ministries.
This is nothing more than a person being ruled by their flesh. And the Joyce Meyers organization reflects these same attributes.
John,
I am not the official representative of the ministry so I am speaking about what I know personally.
Yes I do think the church should be using modern methods of communication (which is what I mean by marketing) to reach people. I think things like blogs are a great way to communicate.
I guess we disagree on some of the issues, but we agree that it is up to each of us to be good stewards of our resources and to look to God as the ultimate authority on truth. Again, thanks for discussing this with me.
-Michael
Michael Said:
“Yes I do think the church should be using modern methods of communication”
I did not say modern methods of communication, I said modern Marketing Methods, there is a difference.
Am I to assume that you agree with using Modern Marketing Methods within the Church?
Also what is your opinion on those who call themselves Sprititual leaders opting to have elective Plastic Surgery to enhance their physical appearance?
“What they are doing in this publicity exercise is the same as any faceless corporation does; attempt to silence and marginalize those who call them to account, and then hope that the “storm” passes without any lasting negative financial impact!”
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Good insightful comments John…
In her response she comes across like a politician: twisting words, making excuses, and hoping to confuse the reader ‘just enough’ so they cut her some slack.
The line between politicians and so-called Christian leaders has suddenly disappeared! Guess we should have seen it coming…
dont you just love these people who come here to try and defend organizations such as this, and you allow them to state their case, but on their web site they restrict comments to those who agree with them.
this allows them to sit on their web site and making sniping comments.
Sort of reveals what these people are all about: Marketing Spin Merchants or in other words those who spin lies to look like truth.
Here is Michael Daehn’s website where he links to this article:
http://jmmwebguy.blogspot.com/
but he only allows comments by members of his Web team at Joyce Meyers Incorporated.
Meyer’s statement: “…finish out the interior of the offices”
A commode looks like it belongs in a bedroom, not an office. Very curious why Meyer would buy that type of furniture for the offices, if the items were actually for the offices and not for a home.
Mr. Daehn posted a picture of a commode on his blog, although most likely it’s not the one that Meyer bought considering I found the image here:
http://images.google.com/images?q=commode&gbv=2&svnum=100&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=active&start=20&sa=N&ndsp=20
Just went over to that blog and saw a photo of the $23,000 Commode. Its worse then i thought–what a total waste of $$ intended to further the Gospel.
Yes its sad when defenders of todays “fleecers” cannot see a problem with such extravagant spending by those who claim to be ministers of Christ, and actually believe these folks ‘deserve’ to live like this.
Its also pitiful that these supporters will put up blogs/websites which purposes are to do no more then play ‘spin doctor’ on the issues in question—not allowing for anything more then their own attempts at defending the charges, and blocking anyone who disagrees with their ‘spin’
Just a comment to Michael Daehn:
Put Christ first, because if you do that you’ll put those He died for in right perspective–the Body of Jesus Christ. Can you really, in searching your heart and the scriptures, believe it pleases God to see those ministries and ministers of the Gospel operating & living like CEO’s of corporations, from the money sent in to spread God’s Word to a dying world?
If you truly have the Spirit of the Living God dwelling within you my friend, which i do not call into question at all, surely you must see this as wrong.
Defend Christ and His World alone….and if you feel a loyalty to Joyce Meyers, pray for her that she will have her eyes opened to the wrong she is doing. Not only in the overly extravagant life style she and her family enjoy today, but in her falsely presenting Christ and His blessings in the wrong light, to not only His lambs, but to a lost world.
We all will answer to Jesus some day: that includes how we’ve used the gifts and talents He gave us: that includes our finances.
How sad it would be to stand in front of our Lord, with head hanging in shame at the knowledge we took from others in the Body of Christ, so that we could live ‘the good life’ during our time (brief as it is) here on earth.
I write that in love…
I received a comment from a work associate of Micheal Daehn’s I am not going to post the comment on its own as I have unfortunately encountered the tactics similiar to this many times before. So I will post the comment in its entirety within this comment, it will be in italics.
I have started using a name for what this tactic is called: Its the “Hit and Run Tactic” Usually what happens is when an article is posted such as the one above, someone connected with the organization or a “friend” of the organization comes and makes a comment to in their words: “Set the Record Straight”
And when they make that statement it is unfortunately the preamble to a very big attempt at rationalization.
Once they are allowed to speak their peace, they usually retreat back to their own website, without answering any specific questions “pull up the drawbridge” so to speak and allow others who agree with them to make sniping comments at you while barring anyone else from commenting.
then comes the second wave of “hit and runs” which is what Michael’s Friends comment is:
His name is Chad and I will address each of his points he makes in order and will not leave any of his comment out:
“I work with Michael, and I know the person he is–you won’t meet a more genuine guy. He’s excited about his career, and he’s excited about his spirituality. We should be so lucky to have more Michael Daehn’s in this world, trying to help spread the Good News.”
Chad: I do not want to sound as if I am being sarcastic as I am not but you need to ponder on your statement above. It is the language of “Post-modernism” This language confuses asking someone sound very applicable and pointed questions as attaking the person. No one here has said that in person Michael may not be a nice guy and that he may not be genuine in what he believes he is doing. The point is this, Michael displays as you do a post-modern ideology and belief system about how the “gospel” should be spread that does not align with Biblical Christianity.
He uses “emergent Church” speak. He may not realize it and you may not either but his ideology and how he believes the “gospel” should be spread derive from non-Christian Atheistic secular ideologies.
“Simply put, you don’t know who you are sniping at.
He came here in good faith to engage in the conversation, and to educate, not to mention admit to his mistake, yet he is called out, and called names like “spin doctor.””
Chad: and no oine said he did not come here in good faith, and we did not snipe at him I would like to point out that we allowed him to freely comment and we replied to him. Saying he is a “spin doctor” is not calling him names. I would also like to point out that Michael has not offered the same courtesy on his website.
You may not realize it but it is an inherent part of “emergent” speak to put a “positive spin” on everything.
“What amazes me most, is that this post is a microcosm of the Senate inquiry–it’s based on misinformation”
Chad: no it is not based on misinformation, it is pointing out some very clear and serious issues that are going on within the Joyce Meyer organizaton. I do notice that neither you nor Michael have chosen to comment on whether you think it is proper for Joyce Meyer and her family to spend thousands of donations on elective cosmetic surgery to enhance their appearance. This along with their extravagent lifestyle that is not keeping with how a true Christian Spiritual Leader should conduct themselves. So please do not try to deflect peoples attentions from what is known to be factually true.
“You see, John, you misrepresent things. You say that JMM misquotes Webster’s Dictionary, yet you then compare it to a cite from the Merriam-Webster dictionary, claiming it is the Webster definition. You go on for paragraphs, ostracizing the JMM staff for this “bungle.”
Who bungled? There seems to be a speck in my eye; I can’t quite tell.
Michael, being the kind-natured guy he is, didn’t point out this hypocracy.”
Chad: There was no misrepresentation, I looked at every dictionary I could find to get the defintion that was on Joyce Meyers Website and could not find it. And you failed to see or maybe you refused to see where I said I know what a “commode” is. I have lived half my adult life in Europe (11 + years) and seen many, many commodes at antiquities and antique auctions, and they in no way could be confused for what Joyce Meyers website claims.
Also Chad you are using the ever present “emergent” refrain of pointing out “the speck” in someone elses eye. This phrase is constantly used by those who want to cover up or refuse to accept thigs that are not “specks” but very serious and major wrong doings.
“Then, you ask Michael to pass judgement on decisions Joyce and her husband have made in their personal lives.
That’s not Michael’s job. His job, as I understand it, is to help JMM be more efficient in spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ through different forms of electronic media.
Come to think of it, judging isn’t my job anymore, either. Is it your job, John?”
Chad: then after the “emergent” false use of “the speck” statement there usually comes the “who are you to judge” phrase.
Let me clarify something for you. As you are using “emergent” and “post modern” mis-definitions of words. It is not asking someone to judge someone if you ask their opnion on something such as did he think it was proper for the Meyes to use thousands of dollars of donations to have elective plastic surgery. These types of questions help to clarify what a person believes is wrong or right. And I find it very telling that Michael refused to answer the question and further that you consider it judging for him to answer the question.
Using the word “judging” as you do this could lead someone to believe that you think it is not in keeping with how a True Biblical Spiritual leader should conduct themselves. And that it betrays a certain air of shallow vanity. Something that true spiritual leaders are not supposed to be concerned with.
“You blatantly twist Michael’s words in the fifth comment to this Post. But regardless, why are marketing methods taboo? Does the Holy Spirit require we remain conventional? Few theologies dare to suggest that Christ was “conventional.” “
Chad: And how did I twist his words? There is a very clear difference between using modern communication methods, and using modern Marketing Methods. Modern communication methods utilizes technology to say words, any words, period!
Modern Marketing methods find their origins in a person named Edward Bernays. Do you know who he is? And why these marketing methods were created?
Here let me give you a brief introduction to him: “Combining the ideas of Gustave LeBon and Wilfred Trotter on crowd psychology with the psychoanalytical ideas of his uncle, Sigmund Freud, Bernays was one of the first to attempt to manipulate public opinion using the psychology of the subconscious”
And if you didnt know it ALL of these men were Atheists. Do you really think the Holy Spirit would work through those types of methods? Ones that are Anti-God in origin. Or maybe you have not read this from God’s Word where he makes it very clear that the methods used to worship ar as equally sacred as the belief in him:
Deuteronomy 12:29-32
“When the LORD your God cuts off from before you the nations which you go to dispossess, and you displace them and dwell in their land, take heed to yourself that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed from before you, and that you do not inquire after their gods, saying, ‘How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do likewise.’ You shall not worship the LORD your God in that way; for every abomination to the LORD which He hates they have done to their gods; for they burn even their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods. “Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it.
“When Michael fails to respond to your request that he pass judgement on people you obviously hold in low-esteem, you point your finger at him, saying, “don’t you just love these people.”
Chad, you took that statement far, far out of context and willfully ignored what it was connected to. Here let me clarify it for you. That statement was made because Michael does as many of the “emergent” and Post-modern ideology do, they avail themselves of the freedom you give them to comment and state their case while refusing to answer any specific questions or be pinned down to any specific viewpoint and then they retreat to their own web site where they allow those who agree with them to make sniping and misleading comments while refusing to allow those who disagree with him to comment, and that is being truly hypocritical.
“our blog (I say our, because I am also technically an author on that blog, though I’ve never left one) is closed to external comment because, quite simply, blogging is a new concept at the ministry, and upper management isn’t comfortable with the idea yet. Michael brought it with him (the concept) when he got here, and has been trying to grow it since. Initially, it was like my blog, which is completely closed to external viewers. I would bet that eventually, you’ll be able to leave all the comments you like, as Michael has been working very hard to encourage the “open discussion” mentality. Blocking off his blog to external comments is not his idea.”
Chad, you answer is another attempt at “spin” Michael’s website is not a Joyce Meyers webite, it is a private blogger website that Micheal himself created, and at Michael’s choosing he can open it to comments, he even invites people to make comments on it, Check out the topright of the index page. Your answer is found to be false by the fact that Michael has allowed a comment on it that would not meet with the kind of restrictive corporate atmosphere you describe. I have a blogger account myself as my website used to be on blogger.
“But, that leads to another observation–Michael’s post there says nothing other than you have a post and discussion on “the commode.” What could you possibly want to leave as a comment there? “Thanks?” “Quit driving traffic to my blog?” “Kewl site, duude..it roxorz?” Instinct tells me I’m on the wrong side of neutral.
I guarantee if I would put a comment that said, “WooHoo Michael, well said! You really sniped that guy!!!” it wouldn’t make my co-workers think I’m any more crazy than they already think. Outsiders, though, would almost definitely think I was on the wrong post, or at least on something.
What’s painfully sardonic here is that Michael’s closing comments were in agreement with you!”
Chad: I will just say you need to read the comment that was left on the link at Chad’s website. It pretty much refutes what you are saying here.
“But enough about Michael. Did you see the part of the press release that says that Joyce and Dave Meyer donate MORE to the ministry than they are compensated? Or that Joyce does not see a penny (no pun intended!) in royalties from materials sold through the JMM bookstore?
Or the part where JMM expenses over 82% of its proceeds to ministry and Christian outreach programs? By any charity watch standards, 80% and up is considered good.”
Chad: Again you are using rationalization, It does not matter what proportion they spend on “ministry and Christian outreach” and an 82% figure means nothing, The logic you are using is saying this: As long as they use the vast majority of X amount for what you believe is THE worthy cause, no one should be concerned about what they do wth the rest. In other words no one should be concerned that what they do with the rest, does not relect how the Bible says a True Spiritual leader should live and conduct their affairs..
That is not Biblical thinking.
“Just some other comments–
Susan — the description I’ve heard of the piece of furniture in question is more like a bureau. I was told by one of our chief officers that the term “commode” appeared on the bill of laiding. Regardless, it is what it is…
PJ–I appreciate your comments. I believe you did indeed write your comment in love. Mine is written principally in frustration, and I hope you’ll forgive me for that.
The picture on Micheal’s blog is NOT the “commode” in question. It is simply “a” commode. I’ve thought about taking a picture of it with a cell phone…but I simply don’t think that’s appropriate.
Also, I hope you’ll take note that Michael’s blog goes back to August 1st, which I think was his first day at the Ministry. It wasn’t something tossed up there to defend anything.
My last comment, then I’ll shut up. Who decides what is too extravagant? How many salvations aren’t enough? Who can truly see into the heart of another person–especially someone they quite simply don’t know?
Peace be with you all, as we celebrate the birth of our Lord!”
Well again Chad you are using utilitarian and hence corporate thinking ie “look at the numbers” “look at how many have been saved” Biblically Chad its not about the numbers, and you said something that is very telling: “Who can truly see into the heart of another person–especially someone they quite simply don’t know?” This is true especially when those “thousands of saved” are being given a false “gospel” As for being able to tell the hearts of those who are supposed to be Spiritual Leaders yes we can tell, as what is supposed to be our clear guide book and instruction for that tells us: God’s Word.
In closing Chad your comments are sadly the words of someone defending an organization blindly, defending them via secular corporate standards. As Christians and as Christian organizations we are held to Biblical Standards which are much different.
I have to say that after yours and Michael’s coments I find myself even more disturbed at the direction that Joyce Meyers Ministries is headed. It seems it is going from one heretical position: “word faith” and “prosperity doctrine” straight into the teeth of another one: “Emerging” or “Emergent” Post-modern beliefs, doctrines and practices.
I trully hope that the Lord will open yours, Mchaels and everyone elses eyes at Joyce Meyer ministries to this fact.
God Bless
And for Chad, Michael and everyone else so no one thinks I am being unfair. When people come here to defend organizations in articles on this website choose to employ “hit and run tactics” they wll not be given free reign of this web site. If you are really interested in Truth and Openness you will practice it.
“Those that forsake the law, praise the wicked. But such as keep my law contend with them.”
–Proverbs 28:4
I’m very late to this topic, but I thank God that there are people like yourself out there who are willing to state uncomfortable truths about those who claim to represent the Christian faith to the world.
It’s disheartening, not only that Joyce has become what she is, but that when asked to give an account for what she has done with that ministry, rather than repenting, or showing any shred of accountability, she releases a statement such as that one. And her first and biggest defender turns out to be her marketing guy, if I’m connecting the dots accurately.
Then, when confronted with his apparent ulterior motives in speaking up on this blog, he plays the victim and makes his own blog private.
God help us. The same wolves that are fleecing the sheep shamelessly play the martyr when they get caught.
Please keep doing what you’re doing. We need more voices in this world who aren’t afraid to sound the alarm. Even if the sheep refuse to listen..
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The bottom line is the bottom line ~~ would she have spent this much money on office furniture if it were **her** money and not the ministry’s? I sincerely doubt it.
I think most of the t.v. preachers are money hungry and use God to get rich DEPART FROM ME YOU WHO WORK IN INIQUITY……………
I would like to add one more thing many of these preachers who are getting wealthy on God’s account, their days are numbered ,I do not believe in t.v. preachers nor do I believe in these so called money hungry preachers, all they want is to get rich off of God’s words and reap the benefits ,I praise God for opening up my eyes to all of thi,s it is a disgrace. These so called millionaire preachers, you think they help out the poor? Oh please give me a break. Don’t get me started, yes it’s her money that she has ripped off from usisng God’s word, she did the formula well. I see right through her and God is going to pour his wrath upon her.
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$23,000 for a piece of furniture is still expensive, doesn’t matter if it was not a toilet or it was. $23,000 could have gone to starving people.