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		<title>Chrislam Starts To Spread In America</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[from Now The End Begins: Pastors that are really wolves in sheep’s clothing You knew this day was going to come, when the liberal “love gospel” preachers who, desiring to fill their seats and bank accounts, would find a way to merge apostate christianity with the Devil’s religion of Islam. That day is here. And [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=6725&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a href="http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=1366" target="_blank">from Now The End Begins:</a></strong></p>
<p><strong>Pastors that are really wolves in sheep’s clothing</strong></p>
<p>You knew this day was going to come, when the liberal “love gospel” preachers who, desiring to fill their seats and bank accounts, would find a way to merge apostate christianity with the Devil’s religion of Islam. That day is here.</p>
<p><strong><em>And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.”</em></strong> Revelation 3:14-16</p>
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<p>Just recently, Rick Warren, founder and pastor of Saddleback Community Church in Orange County California, addressed the convention of the Islamic Society of North America. Warren stated that Muslims and Christians must work together to combat stereotypes, promote peace and freedom, and solve global problems. Christians and Moslems – faith mates, soul mates and now work mates! Chrislam!</p>
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<p><strong>Quote of the Day:</strong> “Before we “shake your hand” in responding to your letter, we ask forgiveness of the All-Merciful One and of the Muslim community around the world.” – Rick Warren in a speech to Muslims.</p>
<p>This weekend, the Memorial Drive Presbyterian Church in Houston along with Christian communities in Atlanta, Seattle, and Detroit will initiate a series of sermons that have been designed to produce an ecumenical reconciliation between Christianity and Islam. In addition to the sermons, the Sunday school lessons will center on the inspired teachings of the Prophet Mohammad. Qurans will be placed in the pews next to the Bibles. (<strong>NOTE: </strong>Due to the overwhelming response that this article has generated, the Pastor of Memorial Church has issued a semi-denial of the events we reported. They do not, however, deny supporting and teaching a doctrine called “Jesus in the Koran. <a href="http://www.mdpc2.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=314&amp;Itemid=1222" target="_blank">Click here</a> to read their semi-denial. So until other information is made available to NTEB, we will run the story as is, along with their side, and you the reader can decide what’s going on. But people, ask yourself…would any <em>real</em>, bible believing church try and teach it’s members about “Jesus in the Koran”? That’s blasphemy.)</p>
<p>The concept of Chrislam, now embraced by such preachers as Rick Warren and Robert Schuller, appears to have emerged from a program on the meaning of “love your neighbor” at Grace Fellowship Church in Atlanta, Georgia “In 2001, like most Americans, we were pretty awakened to the true Islamic presence in the world and in the United States,” says Jon Stallsmith, the outreach minister at Grace Fellowship. “Jesus says we should love our neighbors. We can’t do that without having a relationship with them.”</p>
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<dd class="wp-caption-dd">The sign may be Photoshop, but the message it carries is all too real. Chrislam must be stopped now. If your church teaches this heresy &#8211; run!</dd>
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<p>Stallsmith maintains that a rapprochement between Muslims and Christians can be achieved by the fact that Jesus is mentioned twenty-five times in the Quran.</p>
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<p>The Chrislam movement has gained impetus by statements from President George W. Bush and that Christians, Jews, and Muslims all worship the same God and by Rick Warren’s reference to Isa (the Muslim name for Jesus) in his prayer at the inauguration of President Barack Obama. Only 30 percent of Americans have a favorable view of Muslims, according to a Pew Forum poll. At the same time, more than half the country says they know “not very much” or “nothing at all” about the Islamic faith. “The recent political developments and the fact that we’re fighting two wars in Muslim countries should sharpen that need to know how to talk to these guys,” Stallsmith insists “We want to find peace, reconciliation around a scriptural understanding of Jesus.”</p>
<p>Jesus in the Quran is neither the only-begotten Son of God nor the Messiah who was divinely appointed to restore the House of David. He is rather viewed as a prophet who was appointed by Allah to prepare mankind for the coming of Mohammad.”</p>
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		<title>Jack Van Impe Explains TBN Departure</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 15:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The posting of this video in no way is an endorsement of Jack Van Impe, it is posted only as further proof of the apostasy of TBN. To highlight some of the confused beliefs of Jack Van Impe as well, he has an odd affection for the Roman Catholic church and in this video actually [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=6619&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The posting of this video in no way is an endorsement of Jack Van Impe, it is posted only as further proof of the apostasy of TBN.</p>
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<p>To highlight some of the confused beliefs of Jack Van Impe as well, he has an odd affection for the Roman Catholic church and in this video actually quotes Catholic Bishop Sheen in order to rebuke the Purpose Driven teachings of Rick Warren.</p>
<p>Rick Warren believes and teaches that Roman Catholic Theology is good and that all Roman Catholics including the Roman Catholic Hierarchy are a part of the Body of Christ!</p>
<p>So in the end what you have are two well known Evangelists: Rick Warren &amp; Jack Van Impe, plus TBN all showing that they are part and parcel of the increasing apostasy within American Christianity, and which ever one a person decides to side with is down to a cult of personality.</p>
<p>As the only Biblical thing to do would be to be done with them all!</p>
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		<title>Is TBN silencing God’s prophets?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[posting this linked article is not a positive endorsement of Jack Van Impe by me, as Mr. Van Impe shows a rather odd admiration for the Pope and Roman Catholicism. I am posting this article rather to further reveal the depths of apostasy that TBN has fallen into. from Gay Christian Movement Watch: If you would [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=6611&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>posting this linked article is not a positive endorsement of Jack Van Impe by me, as Mr. Van Impe shows a rather odd admiration for the Pope and Roman Catholicism.</p>
<p>I am posting this article rather to further reveal the depths of apostasy that TBN has fallen into.</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.gcmwatch.com/7346/is-tbn-silencing-gods-prophets" target="_blank">from Gay Christian Movement Watch:</a></strong></p>
<p dir="ltr">If you would have told me 30 years ago that a Christian network in the future would play a part in the silencing of Godly men and women who were preaching the truth, denouncing corruption in the church and exposing liberalism and the teachers who promoted such views, I would have told you that maybe you should take a break from science fiction. But interestingly enough, that’s exactly what seems to be going on within the nation’s largest and most prominent Christian television network – the Trinity Broadcasting Network.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Sometime during the week of June 11th, long time preacher Jack Van Impe became the second casualty in recent years when he was ultimately silenced by officials at TBN for comments and opinions expressed in a taped program set to air on their network, but after viewing, was considered a violation of their network policies of offending other ministers, even though this same offending program was aired the previous Monday.</p>
<p dir="ltr">So why did TBN become unhinged about Jack’s <a href="http://www.jvim.com/update/display.php?ITEM=11137">comments</a> in his program enough to not only reject him by not airing his program, but forbade any future programs which contained his DVD full length program, “Reclaiming and Restoring Biblical Christianity” as well as moving him to another night where the audience viewership was 25% less than his current time slot, which would ultimately give him a much lower viewing audience which ultimately means less exposure. So what could Jack Van Impe have said, or was going to say that brought down the wrath of the Crouches and ultimately silenced a significant preacher of the gospel?</p>
<p dir="ltr">The answer, it seems, was Rick Warren and Islam.</p>
<p dir="ltr">It’s no secret to many who believe in traditional conservative Biblical views that Rick Warren has ultimately forsaken the gospel for a social gospel, which is no gospel at all, but a gospel of popular ideas not founded on the word. Warren’s belief’s of the removal of the cross in most churches, his pro-Islamic stance and his purpose driven theology, all point to a complete rejection of foundational Biblical truth.</p>
<p dir="ltr">What Jack apparently did, was discuss the major points of four (4) leading emergent evangelical leaders and how they were combining their doctrines to include Islam, something that our Lord has strictly forbidden (Ephesians. 5:11) as well as expose the many false teachings that are literally running rampant within the modern church and the people who are behind these teachings. Two prominent leaders, Rick Warren and Robert Schuller, were singled out concerning their liberal teaching and why merging Christianity and Islamic teachings is not only wrong, but damaging to the body of Christ. Schuller’s pro-gay stance has increasingly become all too well known <a href="http://articles.ocregister.com/2011-03-16/news/29139811_1_church-members-sheila-schuller-coleman-covenant-states">here</a> and <a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1564392/posts">here</a>.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Once Impe began to reveal exactly what was being taught by these men and why their popular and accepted views are being held by many ecumenical leaders today, and why these same views would seriously hinder the gospel, not to mention it’s devastating affects on evangelism, folks over at Trinity began to get nervous, possibly outright upset that someone like Warren, who to many within the TBN camp is idolized, would start getting their feathers ruffled at the mere notion that one of their favorite Pastors was being labeled a false teacher.</p>
<p dir="ltr">It didn’t take long before the consequences of touching TBN’s favorite Pastors would be revealed, as the official statement by Impe’s own website clearly states, “On Wednesday afternoon we received a call from Matt Crouch of TBN informing us that they would not run that program, despite having aired it Monday evening. The reason he gave was that we specifically mentioned Rick Warren and Robert Schuller and that it is TBN’s policy that broadcasters are not allowed to rebuke other ministries. This is a rather hypocritical statement in light of the fact that they have never said anything in the past when we have rebuked others such as Bishop Spong, Bishop Pike, and in the past few months Harold Camping and Rob Bell. They also stated that they would not run any future program where we offered our DVD Reclaiming &amp; Restoring Biblical Christianity as a premium for a donation to our ministry. A DVD that exposes false teachers and the heresies that they proclaim.”</p>
<p dir="ltr">So it seems that not only is it forbidden to examine the teachings of others, it’s also forbidden to challenge any viewpoint that is currently popular and accepted by the status quo. That’s where the censoring begins. . . . .</p>
<p dir="ltr">read the full article <a href="http://www.gcmwatch.com/7346/is-tbn-silencing-gods-prophets" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[from Discernment Research Group: Today we begin an important series by Pastor Anton Bosch which refutes many of the humanistic and esoteric heresies running rampant in evangelicaldom about the &#8220;mind&#8221; and the &#8220;self.&#8221; It is important to address what Scripture actually says, especially in the context of the faulty emphases of &#8220;brain&#8221; and the &#8220;mind&#8221; [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=6458&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a href="http://herescope.blogspot.com/2011/04/battle-of-mind.html" target="_blank">from Discernment Research Group</a>:</strong></p>
<p>Today we begin an important series by Pastor Anton Bosch which refutes many of the humanistic and esoteric heresies running rampant in evangelicaldom about the &#8220;mind&#8221; and the &#8220;self.&#8221; It is important to address what Scripture actually says, especially in the context of the faulty emphases of &#8220;brain&#8221; and the &#8220;mind&#8221; in Rick Warren&#8217;s Daniel Plan for healthcare reform.*</p>
<p><strong><em>“For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ”</em></strong> (2 Corinthians 10:3-5)</p>
<p>The Christian is locked in an intense war. Many of us however, are so interested in fighting an external war with the Devil, that we forget that the most important battle is not with external forces, but within our own mind, heart and thoughts. These verses contain the keys to victory in an area where most Christians are constantly defeated.</p>
<p>Paul reminds us that our weapons and strategy are not fleshly or carnal. This is the first key to victory. Most Christians employ fleshly, psychological and human strategies to deal with spiritual problems. Many books that provide “seven easy steps to victory” employ human wisdom and add a few Bible verses to sanctify a system they have borrowed from the world. Strip those Bible verses out of the book or sermon and you are left with a motivational book or talk that the world will pay money to read or hear. When something is that acceptable to the world we need to question whether it is indeed authentic Christianity. I have no doubt that many of those formulas work to some extent, and for a while. They are just like the many “cures” for weight problems that are touted every day – they provide quick solutions, and may even work for a while, but in the end leave you worse-off than before.</p>
<p>Our battle is a spiritual one and can only be won when we employ the spiritual weapons that God has put at our disposal. Sometimes people don&#8217;t use these weapons because they seem simple, or too much like hard work. But they work because God has designed them and the Holy Spirit empowers them. In fact, the battle for (and in) your mind cannot be won unless you use the weapons God has given you.</p>
<p>Our weapons are mighty in God. They are powerless in and of themselves, but in God they are mighty, powerful and able to bring every thought under control. These weapons include the Word of God (Ephesians 6:17), prayer (Ephesians 6:18) and the anointing of the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:8).</p>
<p>One of the reasons we need such strong weapons is because these thought-patterns are so deeply entrenched in our minds that they literally become strongholds. Paul did not use the word “strongholds” by chance. This is the same word which Philo the philosopher (probably known to Paul) had used to describe the bastion of arrogant human reason. Philo likened this desire of man to fortify his arguments against God to the Tower of Babel. What does that all mean? It simply means that the thought-patterns that cause us to act as we do, become so powerfully entrenched in our minds that they become like military forts which are impregnable.</p>
<p>Have you ever tried to reason with someone who is obviously wrong (by all standards – not just your own) and realized that you are up against a stone wall? Well, that is exactly what it is. They are strongholds built out of stone. Our arguments against God’s will, His Word and His wisdom become so fortified in our minds that nothing short of a miracle is able to penetrate them.</p>
<p>Such strongholds are built, stone by stone, argument by argument until they become a fortress behind which we hide from God and our responsibilities. They are built over years through self-justification and rationalizing our bad behavior, addictions and unacceptable values. They are further reinforced as we fill our minds with the world and its systems and values.</p>
<p>Often when we come across this in a person, they will have an almost irrational denial of reality and we say such a person is irrational or emotional (as opposed to rational). But the text refers to the reason as “arguments.” (The King James Bible incorrectly refers to “imaginations”). The Greek word is logismos from the same root as “logic.” We all have rational, logical reasons why we are disobedient to the Lord.</p>
<p>Allow me to share some hard-earned advice. Do not even try to argue with such a person. They are not interested and will simply retreat behind the castle of their reasons and begin to fire at you with all sorts of criticism.</p>
<p>So what are we to do to help others? Our weapons are not human – remember? We can only allow the Word of God and the Holy Spirit to do the work. Our part is simply to pray. That is all. The Lord must change the person’s mind through His Word and Spirit and begin to tear those fortifications down.</p>
<p>Without God, your attempts will simply cause the person to entrench themselves even more and go over to the attack. It is hard to learn not to argue with such a person, but to simply walk away and pray and trust the Lord to deal with them. Trust me, try to “help” them and you will only buy yourself much unnecessary heartache and pain. One of the hardest things in Christian work is to hand such a person over to the Lord when we feel we should actually be doing something.</p>
<p>More important than others&#8217; problems is the fact that each of us have such strongholds in our own lives. Strongholds of fear, doubt, unbelief, greed, lust, anger, addictions and the list goes on and on. There is only one place we can actively participate in this work of tearing down the strongholds and that is in our own lives. Sometimes we want to be free of the hold these things have in our lives, but often, we enjoy them and are not willing to let them go.</p>
<p>But the text reminds us that it is not just ourselves that are being wronged by allowing these thoughts to control us, but it is sin against The Most High. Paul speaks about “every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God” (v5). Is that not what they did at the Tower of Babel? They built this tower in defiance of the Lord. That is what we often do when we harbor these things in our minds – we allow and encourage these things to lift themselves up in rebellion against God!</p>
<p>If we are going to be the people God wants us to be, these strongholds must be torn down and the thoughts hiding behind them brought under control. Paul says these arguments that elevate themselves against God must be cast or pulled down.</p>
<p>Do you feel defeated even before you have begun? Maybe it is because you have been trying to overcome these entrenchments using human methods or in your own strength? It will not work and I hope you will have realized that by now. We need the dynamite power of the Holy Spirit to explode these fortifications. God can, and will do it – with our permission and cooperation. How? Read more in the next post&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Rick Warren&#8217;s New Age Health Gurus</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you want to understand the roots of why Rick Warren believes the way he does you need to read this book: The New Neutralism II The book discusses the founding of Fuller Theological Seminary (where Rick Warren graduated) and the ideology of those who founded Fuller: The belief that the Evangelical Church must do [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=6383&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to understand the roots of why Rick Warren believes the way he does you need to read this book: <a href="http://www.americanpresbyterianchurch.org/new_neutralism.htm" target="_blank">The New Neutralism II</a></p>
<p>The book discusses the founding of Fuller Theological Seminary (where Rick Warren graduated) and the ideology of those who founded Fuller: The belief that the Evangelical Church must do away with Biblical Separatism, become a neutral intermediary between Fundamentalists and the Secular world, Emphasise the positive aspects of &#8220;christianity,&#8221;engage&#8221; the secular world by &#8220;earning&#8221; the wordly &#8220;respect&#8221; of Secular intellectuals and universities!</p>
<p>But as the author of <a href="http://www.americanpresbyterianchurch.org/new_neutralism.htm" target="_blank">The New Neutralism II</a> points out, as a Christian you cannot remain neutral, you eventually have to pick a side: With Christ or with the World. Sadly the leaders and teachers at Fuller and Rick Warren chose the world!</p>
<p>But Jesus said:<br />
John 15:19:</p>
<p><strong><em>If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.</em></strong></p>
<p>And the Apostle Paul said:</p>
<p>1 Corinthians 1:20:<br />
<strong><em>Where [is] the wise? where [is] the scribe? where [is] the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?</em></strong><br />
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2 Corinthians 6:14:<br />
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<strong><em>Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?</em></strong></p>
<p>and the Apostle James said:</p>
<p>James 4:4:<br />
<strong><em>Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God</em></strong><br />
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<a href="http://herescope.blogspot.com/2011/03/rick-warrens-new-age-health-gurus.html" target="_blank"><strong>from Herescope:</strong><br />
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“[Dr. Mark Hyman] combines his training in conventional medicine with cutting edge genetics and nutrition and tells us why and how we should clean up within and without so that we can really perform as ultra human beings. Mark is a 4 time NYTimes bestselling author and Chairman of the Institute for Functional Medicine which is a very exciting new field, a real paradigm shift in medicine. He has dedicated his career to identifying and addressing the root causes of chronic illness through a groundbreaking whole systems approach that he calls &#8216;functional medicine.&#8217; He is also founder and medical director of the UltraWellness Center, he advises Dr. Oz’s Health Corp Group, and he is nominee to President Obama’s Advisory Group on Prevention, Health Promotion and Integrative and Public Health.”<br />
-Chef Liv Wu&#8217;s introduction of Dr. Mark Hyman*<br />
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When Rick Warren launched his year-long Daniel Plan at a Saddleback Health and Fitness Seminar, he introduced three key doctors that would be working on this agenda with him. The fact that these three doctors are easily identifiable as New Age “guru” type doctors is indisputable. Their own public record is very obvious – each man in one way or another has connected himself with various elements of the New Age. One need only “google” their names to find their connections to activities, practices and personnel at high levels in the New Age movement.<br />
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The question might be asked: Why didn’t Dr. Rick pick medical doctors who were Christians? Not nominal Christians, but sincere evangelical Christians! Surely there are highly esteemed, reputable, well-credentialed Christian physicians at the top of their field in various hospitals, universities or medical research laboratories! But Rick Warren picked the Oprah Winfrey type of New Age guru to be his guides with the Daniel Plan – the Hollywood hype type of doctors.<br />
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An official &#8220;Daniel Plan Pastoral Response&#8221; to the question &#8220;Why did Saddleback Church choose to use these doctors, who have been linked to other beliefs?&#8221; can be viewed HERE. In this classic insipid Warrenesque response it is claimed that these doctors &#8220;are in no way advising our church on spiritual matters.&#8221; But given the fact that these doctors have specialized in integrating their spirituality with their views on medicine and health, this is not an honest answer. (View Daniel Plan FAQ sheet HERE).<br />
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Furthermore, these doctors have websites that are hype-driven – one can hardly even gain entry into Dr. Daniel Amen’s website without taking the “Brain Type Test” or jumping through other marketing hoops.<br />
So why the pizzazz? Genuine Christian physicians might be more interested in the spiritual welfare of the sheep, they might be gently prodding about sins such as drunkenness or gluttony in a healthcare model. They might take a stewardship of the body approach. But, rather, the healthcare guru doctors of the Daniel Plan follow the New Age model of healthcare reform. Take Dr. Mark Hyman&#8217;s plan as described on a YouTube video presentation . . . .<br />
 <br />
read the full article here.</p>
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		<title>A Visit to Rick Warren&#8217;s Health Seminar, The Unfolding of a Global New Age Plan</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[from Lighthouse Trails Research: The following is written by a LighthouseTrails reader and researcher who attended Rick Warren&#8217;s health seminar on January 15, 2011 &#8220;Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness&#8230;. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, and prudent [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=6177&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a href="http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=5636" target="_blank">from Lighthouse Trails Research:</a></strong></p>
<p>The following is written by a LighthouseTrails reader and researcher who attended Rick Warren&#8217;s health seminar on January 15, 2011</p>
<p><strong><em>&#8220;</em><em>Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil</em><em>; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness&#8230;. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!&#8221; </em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>-<a></a></em></strong>Isaiah 5:20-21</p>
<p>I first arrived to Saddleback’s campus only to be told that “all parking lots were full.” I drove across the street to see if there were any spots available in the business lots, and they were full too. I ended up parking in a housing tract and walked a mile or two back to Saddleback’s campus. As I arrived, I overheard a parking lot attendant say they estimated about 6,000 people had come to the seminar.</p>
<p>I was a little late, so I was grateful to my nephew who went online and began to relay what was being said in the opening comments, as I didn’t want to miss what was to be the foundation of the talks that day. <strong>I was a little taken aback when my nephew told me the first speaker, Dr. Amen, made reference to the Egyptian pyramids and how they were built upon an “idea,” and if man could build something like that all those thousands of years ago, what could he do today if he put his mind to it? </strong>I found that to be somewhat disturbing, as <strong>the pyramids, no matter how impressive they were, represent the ancient pagan religions which got their start in Babylon when Nimrod gathered men (the community) together to commit idolatry by building a tower to honor themselves as gods</strong> (Gen. Ch. 11).[1]</p>
<p>And yet here it was, the analogy that was chosen to illustrate this new “idea” Saddleback would launch their 52 week program with. No matter what Dr. Amen’s intent was,<strong> I believe the analogy was appropriate, and the subtle message is telling…”MAN CAN DO ANYTHING HE PUTS HIS MIND TO.” Sound familiar?</strong> (Read Gen. 3:4-5).[2]</p>
<p>As I began to head up the hill toward the main sanctuary, a Saddleback tram pulled up and the driver asked if I wanted a lift. I said I preferred to walk, but thanks. The driver yelled, “Let’s all give her a hand folks, she’s started the Daniel Plan already!” And the people on the tram cheered. Never mind the fact that I have been walking my entire life because I enjoy doing so, not because of some health and fitness campaign. I sensed I was entering a nightmare.</p>
<p>The main sanctuary was full, &amp; it was standing room only. They told me the overflow areas were full too. So I found a spot on the patio outside the main sanctuary looking in. I had a good view and could see the stage perfectly. Their outdoor sound system made it so I could roam around, observe the audience, continue to listen to the guest speakers, and take notes.</p>
<p><strong>To begin, I’d like to state that Saturday Jan. 15th, 2011 will go down in the history books as the day Saddleback Church was sold a bill of goods.</strong> The masses had come out in droves for answers to their weight loss difficulties &amp; health problems, <strong>but unbeknownst to them, they were being given a prescription for restructuring society &amp; population control.</strong></p>
<p><strong>The prescription goes by the name Agenda 21, a.k.a. &#8220;Sustainable Development&#8221; or “Smart Growth.”</strong> Agenda 21 is a published document <strong>put out by the United Nations with the intent to put limits on population and to restructure nation-states into a global society</strong>.[3] Rick Warren’s “new friends” had dubbed it, “The Daniel Plan – God’s Prescription For Your Health.” <strong>A more appropriate title would’ve been, “Sustainable Living – Destroying Inalienable Rights, One Community at a Time.”</strong></p>
<p>By the time I settled into listening more intently, the second speaker, Mark Hyman, began. It didn’t take too long to figure out what the basis of his message was: We “need to heal with community” (he termed this “accompaniment”), “we’re here for the sake of each other,” this plan “is our way out,” this plan “saved me,” and in fact will “change the world.”</p>
<p>Saddleback was being told they were a “test community” to show the world how to live “healthy and sustainably.” When I heard these words, my heart sank. It was as I’d feared. I knew which buzzwords to listen for, and he was hitting them all. The audience was told they would be champions in health to show the world what “living sustainably” was all about, but Dr. Hyman is a leftist who is more than a champion in health, he’s a change agent for the global elite, as is Dr. Oz &amp; Dr. Amen. Dr. Hyman is the founder and medical director of the Ultra Wellness Center, he advises Dr. Oz’s healthcore group, and he’s a nominee to President Obama’s advisory group on prevention, health promotion, and integrative and public health. [4] Hmmmmmm. I smell an agenda.</p>
<p>Dr. Hyman practices what’s known as “functional medicine,” which means he uses a “whole systems” approach to medicine; in other words, he practices medicine “wholistically,” This is also known as “Mind Body” medicine. At Saddleback’s seminar, “mind body” or “functional” medicine was presented as if it’s completely scientific. Any scientist worth his salt will tell you that yes, the body can be measured scientifically, but the mind falls into an entirely different category which can never be measured by science. <strong>As stated by Dave Hunt in his book Occult Invasion – The Subtle Seduction of the World and Church, “Physical science, by very definition, can make no judgments concerning a nonphysical realm” as is the mind &amp; the soul</strong>.[5] <strong>In other words, the mind and the soul are scientifically immeasurable.</strong></p>
<p><strong>It’s the same with the religions of “Mind Science.” Calling a religion “Mind Science” or “<span style="color:#ff0000;">Scientology,”</span></strong> when there’s nothing scientific about it, is the same as calling a cereal “Grapenuts” when it contains no grapes or nuts. But we live in an era when the masses have been sufficiently dumbed down, and all it takes to impress is clever packaging and branding. If “they” say it’s science, then dog-gone-it, it’s science! After all, “these doctors are on television.”</p>
<p>As I sat through all 3 presentations by Dr.’s Hyman, Amen, &amp; Oz, <strong>what came to mind were the traveling salesmen of the 1800s. They talk fast, so fast that the message that’s really being given, goes right over people’s heads. They used tactics to tug at the heart strings such as videos of sick little girls who suddenly got well from being on “the program” and have been “set free” from relying on medications.</strong></p>
<p>Then they flooded the audience with “facts” and “statistics” to scare any grandmother, such as “a tsunami of disease is hitting us,” “life expectancy is going down,” “1 out of 2 people are diabetic or pre-diabetic,” “70% of all agricultural land is taken up by growing animals to feed all the people,” “the bigger your body gets, the more your brain shrinks,” etc.</p>
<p>I about fell off my chair when Dr. Hyman stated, “The key to the success of the “Daniel Plan” is “group living” … “individuals” will not succeed, our only hope lies in “community.” [LT Note: <strong>This is exactly what the emerging church is teaching</strong>.]  And with that, it was announced that the “Saddleback community” would be an example of “sustainable living” and would set the course to “change this world” … and the crowd went wild!  [LT Note: Remember, when we reported how Rick Warren talked glowingly about a critical mass needed to change our world?]</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><span style="color:#ff0000;"><strong>Dr. Hyman said that he is a Jew, Dr. Amen said he is a Christian, and Dr. Oz said he is a Muslim.</strong></span></span> And doesn’t that represent the demographic of “most of the population of the world”? <strong>But then he said, “we’re all the same underneath.”</strong> True to his salesman fashion, Dr. Hyman didn’t define his terms. What in the world does he mean “we’re all the same underneath”? That can mean a number of things. Since he was speaking to a religious crowd, <strong>I’d venture to say some of the folks present took that to mean we’re all children of God (Jews, Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, etc.),</strong> which is patently false according to the Bible. The Bible says there are only two groups, children of wrath and children of God. You’re either one or the other, a believer in Christ Jesus, or a non-believer. We aren’t “all the same underneath.” (Ephesians Ch. 2).[6]</p>
<p><strong>The only way in which we’re “all the same underneath” is we’re all sinners in need of a Savior; and the Savior isn’t “sustainable living.”</strong> [LT Note: <strong>Remember, the New Age says the era of the single savior is OVER!</strong>] The Savior is Jesus Christ, and He is the only way unto salvation (John 14:6).[7] And to become a child of God, Jesus said, “You must be born again” (John Ch. 3). [8] The tragic thing about this day at Saddleback is, Jesus was never mentioned … and I mean NEVER. There were a few passing references to God; Daniel Amen mentioned that our bodies were “a temple of the Holy Spirit and the brain is the inner sanctum” [Amen means that all humans are the temple of the Holy Spirit], but Jesus never made the cut –  ”sustainable lifestyles” and “group living” did.</p>
<p>Following Dr. Hyman’s talk, my best friend arrived to observe the day with me, only to hear Dr. Amen mention in his presentation that he did a brain scan on one of his clients who had a habit of cheating on his wife. The brain scan showed that there were “holes in the pre-frontal cortex of his brain” which controls the impulses.<strong> In other words, this man wasn’t sinful, he was “mentally ill.” </strong>All he needed was to get on the “Change Your Brain, Change Your Body” program, and his personal struggles with sin were remedied. <strong>Once again, Jesus was removed from the equation</strong>. My friend and I were dumbfounded when we listened to the Saddleback crowd cheer. My best friend couldn’t contain it any longer and let out a, “You’ve got to be kidding me.” My thoughts exactly!</p>
<p><strong>Dr. Hyman recommended Yoga and meditation to the crowd</strong>. Dr. Amen gave a diplomatic denunciation of Yoga (which is contradictory since he has recommended it himself), but about 5 sentences later mentioned a study done by a friend of his named Andy Newberg who did brain scans on Tibetan nuns and Franciscan priests while in “prayer and contemplation” and the study showed that “spiritual connection” is healthy. Dr. Amen has been an advocate of “Sa Ta Na Ma” meditation.[9]</p>
<p>If by chance any attendees of the Saddleback “Health and Fitness Seminar” read this blog post, I encourage you to educate yourself about what globalism truly is. You also need to research Agenda 21. As stated earlier, the purpose of Agenda 21 is to restructure society. Sounds conspiratorial, I know. But it isn’t a conspiracy; it’s a published document of the United Nations that’s in full swing. Anywhere you hear the terms, “Sustainable Development,”  ”sustainable living,” “smart growth,”  ”going green,”  etc., rest assured you’ve just been exposed to the U.N.’s Agenda 21. [10]</p>
<p><strong>It shouldn’t surprise us that Rick Warren would allow a seminar of this nature at Saddleback; after all, he himself has “GONE GREEN.”</strong> [11] <strong>He is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations</strong>.[12] <strong>This illustrates the natural progression of one being unequally yoked with non-believers &amp; buying into heresies such as “Kingdom Now,” “Dominionism,” or “Restoration Theology.”</strong></p>
<p><strong>Where these heresies reign, as they do at Saddleback, you will find that the focus subtly shifts from salvation in Christ alone, through faith alone, to misguided efforts to restore mankind &amp; the earth through “community” works, sustainable living, and social justice.</strong> How convenient that these just happen to be the vehicles which the United Nations is using to further it’s own agenda to restructure society &amp; unite the world under its governing body of global elites.</p>
<p>TRUE TRUTH:</p>
<p> <strong><em>&#8220;For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.&#8221; &#8211; </em></strong>2 Timothy 4:3-4</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[from Perfect Peace Plan: by James Sundquist Rick Warren’s “Battle of the Mind” Speech at the Desiring God 2010 THINK Conference (which Rick Warren did not attend but presented on videotape) resulted in a torrent of emails to me from Christians who were alarmed.  I also received a number of concerns about the response from [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=5973&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a href="http://www.perfectpeaceplan.com/post/" target="_blank">from Perfect Peace Plan:</a></strong></p>
<p>by James Sundquist</p>
<p>Rick Warren’s “Battle of the Mind” Speech at the Desiring God 2010 THINK Conference (which Rick Warren did not attend but presented on videotape) resulted in a torrent of emails to me from Christians who were alarmed.  I also received a number of concerns about the response from John Piper and his panel at the conference after hearing Warren’s speech.  I had not planned on even listening to the speech because there had not yet been any formal or public repentance from Rick Warren for all of his false teachings in his Purpose Driven Life book or for the destruction he has wrought in churches all over the U.S. (a repentance speech is a speech that I would have made sure to hear).  But the indignation over the “Battle of the Mind” speech had grown so large, I felt compelled to view it and respond.  Before this I had appealed to and warned John Piper because he had invited Rick Warren to speak at his 2010 Desiring God Conference.  My appeal can be read at:</p>
<p><a href="http://rock-to-salt.cephasministry.com/James_Sundquist_Response_to_John_Piper_Inviting_Rick_Warren_to_Defile_his_pulpit_and_people.html" target="_blank">James Sundquist&#8217;s Response to John Piper Inviting Rick Warren to Defile his pulpit and people</a></p>
<p>John Piper did not listen to me or a host of other Christians who appealed to him or publicly rebuked him or Rick Warren.  Also see:</p>
<p><a href="http://newdemonstration.com/defending-contending/john-piper-rick-warren-and-the-doctrine-of-separation" target="_blank">John Piper, Rick Warren and the Doctrine of Separation</a></p>
<p>for Tim Challies’ appeal regarding Warren’s appearance.  John Piper invited him anyway.  What follows is my response to Rick Warren’s speech as well as my commentary on the Panel’s response at the 2010 Desiring God Conference.  I agree with Tim Challies.</p>
<p>Many of the concerns about Rick Warren’s teachings are itemized in two reference books I wrote entitled: <strong><em>Who’s Driving the Purpose Driven Church?</em></strong> and <strong><em>Rick Warren’s Global Peace Plan vs. Scriptural Teachings on Peace</em></strong>, published by Southwest Radio Ministries <a href="http://www.swrc.com/" target="_blank">http://www.swrc.com</a>.  These books expose the false teachings of Rick Warren, including documented case studies of churches in which he was a destroyer of the brethren.  I am heartened to learn that so many good brothers and sisters in Christ such as Ken Silva, Ingrid Schlueter, Paula Coyle, Chris Rosebrough, Daniel Neades, and Justin Edwards  saw right through what Rick Warren presented at Piper’s Desiring God Conference.  But I am sorely vexed that Piper and the Desiring God Conference Panel of sycophants including Piper himself, Pastor Burk Parsons (Ligonier…R.C. Sproul) and Pastor Kevin Young (University Reformed Church) would cheer on this wolf masquerading as a servant of righteousness, rendering themselves derelict watchmen on the wall…a reproach to all of the saints that Rick Warren’s PDL and Global Peace Plan ship’s propeller has left dismembered throughout the world. . . . . .</p>
<p>for the complete report go <a href="http://www.perfectpeaceplan.com/post/" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[from Haaretz: The United States and Israel are watching with concern the growing military cooperation among Turkey, China and Iran, especially following a joint Turkish-Chinese air-force exercise last week. Until two years ago Israel was Turkey&#8217;s main partner for air combat training. In 2001 the Turkish air force inaugurated a tactical air warfare center in [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=5927&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a href="http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/growing-ties-between-turkey-china-iran-worry-israel-and-u-s-1.317583" target="_blank">from Haaretz:</a></strong></p>
<p>The United States and Israel are watching with concern the growing military cooperation among Turkey, China and Iran, especially following a joint Turkish-Chinese air-force exercise last week.</p>
<p>Until two years ago Israel was Turkey&#8217;s main partner for air combat training.</p>
<p>In 2001 the Turkish air force inaugurated a tactical air warfare center in Konya with Israel and the United States.</p>
<p>Until 2008 the Israel Air Force was a frequent guest in Turkey&#8217;s sky and a regular participant in the country&#8217;s big annual exercise, Anatolian Eagle.</p>
<p>In the wake of Operation Cast Lead and the subsequent deterioration of bilateral relations Turkey last year revoked Israel&#8217;s participation in the maneuvers. The United States decided not to take part in the exercise this year because of that decision. A number of other NATO members followed suit.</p>
<p>Turkey replaced the Israel Air Force with its Chinese counterpart. China sent Sukhoi SU-27 fighter aircraft and pilots to train with Turkey&#8217;s F-16 fighters. In the past these exercises were held in relatively openness, but last week they were held covertly, with only a brief report appearing in the Turkish media after the exercise.</p>
<p>The West has been watching the changes in the Chinese army&#8217;s structure, and especially the long-range naval and aerial exercises that indicate Beijing&#8217;s intention to acquire the ability to conduct warfare far from China&#8217;s borders.</p>
<p>The Chinese are also aggressively pursuing cyber warfare capabilities, employing some 60,000 hackers at it, according to foreign intelligence reports.</p>
<p>The Obama administration protested Turkey&#8217;s military cooperation with Iran after it was reported that the Chinese fighter planes were sent to Turkey via Pakistan and Iran.</p>
<p>The developing ties among Turkey, Iran and China are also reflected in weapons deals, with Iran buying from China mainly missile technology.</p>
<p>The C-802 antiship missile fired by Hezbollah in the Second Lebanon War at the Israel Navy&#8217;s Hanit missile boat was manufactured in Iran with Chinese technology.</p>
<p>China has also developed a surface-to-surface rocket-launching system together with Turkey. China&#8217;s Prime Minister Wen Jiabao is due to visit Ankara this month and to sign several bilateral cooperation agreements.</p>
<p>Turkey and China are also involved in projects to build oil pipelines from Iran.</p>
<p>Another reason for the close relations between the two states is that China, as a permanent member of the United Nations Security Council, has been in the forefront of opposition to imposing harsher sanctions on Iran in connection to the Islamic state&#8217;s nuclear program.</p>
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		<title>Rick Warren: A Shill for Terror</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[from WND: A plethora of terror-related individuals surrounds the profile of Pastor Rick Warren on the “Speakers Corner” of the official website of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA). He is fully aware of how he is being portrayed on the site (as this author has had correspondence with his office regarding the matter) [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=5923&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a href="http://frontpagemag.com/2010/10/01/rick-warren-terrorisms-useful-idiot/" target="_blank">from WND:</a></strong></p>
<p>A plethora of terror-related individuals surrounds the profile of Pastor Rick Warren on the “Speakers Corner” of the official website of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA). He is fully aware of how he is being portrayed on the site (as this author has had correspondence with his office regarding the matter) but refuses to demand its deletion and offers no apology for its existence. Pastor Warren has become a shill for Islamic terror.</p>
<p>“As-salamu Alaykum. I come to you today deeply humbled and honored by this invitation. I truly mean that. I applaud your courage for inviting an Evangelical pastor. Thank you.” This was the opening statement of Rick Warren, the leading pastor of the influential Southern California Saddleback Church, as he stood in front of the attendees of ISNA’s 46th Annual Convention in July 2009.</p>
<p>He spoke these words as he stood at the podium emblazoned with ISNA’s logo, an image that, for many, is a symbol of terror and stealth jihad.</p>
<p>ISNA is an American arm of the Muslim Brotherhood. It was founded in 1981 by a group of individuals which included the North American leader of Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) Sami al-Arian.</p>
<p>In 2007 and 2008, ISNA was named by the United States Justice Department as a willing participant in the financing of millions of dollars to Hamas.</p>
<p>All of this and much more had been made public prior to Pastor Warren’s invitation to speak at ISNA’s convention, but all of it was ignored.</p>
<p>At the convention, Warren’s fellow speakers included: Siraj Wahhaj, an “unindicted co-conspirator” of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing; Zulfiqar Ali Shah, the former South Asia Director of KindHearts, a Hamas fundraising group that was shut down by the FBI in February 2006; and Naeem Muhammad, a U.S. staff member of Islamic Relief, a “charity” that the Israeli government has claimed is a front for Hamas.</p>
<p>Did Warren vet the other speakers at the event? If he did, like with ISNA’s terror-related past, the concerns were willfully ignored. . . . .</p>
<p>read the full article <a href="http://frontpagemag.com/2010/10/01/rick-warren-terrorisms-useful-idiot/" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[from Notes From a Retired Preacher: If you ever suspected that the “Religious” Left is perverting the Gospel of Jesus Christ.. these quotes should convince you.   See how many you know… Unbelievable — and these are the “Leaders” of the modern Church. Pitiful. Today there really aren’t that many Fundamentalists left; I don’t know if [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=5533&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>If you ever suspected that the “Religious” Left is perverting the Gospel of Jesus Christ.. these quotes should convince you.  </p>
<p>See how many you know…</p>
<p>Unbelievable — and these are the “Leaders” of the modern Church. Pitiful.</p>
<p><strong>Today there really aren’t that many Fundamentalists left</strong>; I don’t know if you know that or not, but they are such a minority; there aren’t that many Fundamentalists left in America … Now the word ‘fundamentalist’ actually comes from a document in the 1920s called the Five Fundamentals of the Faith. And it is a very legalistic, narrow view of Christianity.” <strong>Quote by <a href="http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/pewreligion.htm">Rick Warren, May 2005</a></strong></p>
<p><strong>[Fundamentalism is]“one of the big enemies of the 21st century</strong>.” “Muslim fundamentalism, Christian fundamentalism, Jewish fundamentalism, secular fundamentalism – they’re all motivated by fear. Fear of each other.” – <a href="http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/rwfundamentalism.htm"><strong>Rick Warren</strong>, January 2006</a></p>
<p>“<strong>Christianity IS an eastern religion.</strong> It has all its roots in the East! It’s a bit baffling to me that people lose sight of this, and insist on creating a false separation [see note below] between eastern religions and (apparently) western Christianity.” <strong>Mark Oestreicher, </strong>Youth Specialties</p>
<p>“<strong>Emergent doesn’t have a position on absolute truth</strong>, or on anything for that matter. Do you show up at a dinner party with your neighbors and ask, ‘What’s this dinner party’s position on absolute truth?’ No, you don’t, because it’s a nonsensical question.” <a href="http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/tonyjones.htm"><strong>Tony Jones </strong>at the 2005 National Youth Workers Convention</a></p>
<p>“<strong>My goal is to destroy Christianity </strong>as a world religion and be a recatalyst for the movement of Jesus Christ,” McManus, author of a new book called The Barbarian Way, said in a telephone interview. “Some people are upset with me because it sounds like I’m anti-Christian. I think they might be right.”—<a href="http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/erwinmcmanus.htm"><strong>Erwin McManus</strong>, from <em>The Barbarian Way</em></a></p>
<p>“<strong>With practice, you can develop the habit of praying silent ‘breath prayers</strong>‘” <strong><a href="http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/warren.htm">Rick Warren</a>, from <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=eaonPgsixjcC&amp;pg=PA299&amp;lpg=PA299&amp;dq=%22with+practice+you+can+develop+the+habit+of+praying+silent+breath+prayers%22&amp;source=web&amp;ots=oBkMCcw2OC&amp;sig=-XnEVqd4s82C4hD-Ulr1-W0KZDo#PPA299,M1">his book (p. 299)</a></strong></p>
<p><strong>“[U]se <a href="http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/breathprayer.htm">‘breath prayers</a>‘ throughout the day, </strong>as many Christians have done for centuries. You choose a brief sentence or a simple phrase that can be repeated to Jesus in one breath.”<strong>—Rick Warren,  <em>The Purpose-Driven Life</em>, p. 89</strong></p>
<p><strong>“Does Buddha have anything to offer non-Buddhists in the workplace? </strong>My answer is a wholehearted, ‘Yes.’<strong>—<a href="http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blanchard.htm">Ken Blanchard</a>,</strong> co-author of the <em>One Minute Manager</em>, from the foreword and front cover of<strong> <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1569753008/ref=sib_dp_pt/104-3538992-8984709#reader-link"><em>What Would Buddha Do in the Workplace?</em></a></strong></p>
<p><strong>“Spiritual ecstasy. </strong>The third phase of contemplative prayer … a supernatural trance state …”<em> <strong>Charisma</strong></em><strong> magazine, Oct. 2004</strong></p>
<p>“<strong>Contemplative prayer is nothing other than coming into consciousness of what is already there</strong>.” <strong><a href="http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/manning.htm">Brennan Manning, </a></strong><em><strong>The Signature of Jesus </strong></em></p>
<p><strong>“Brennan (Manning) is my friend</strong>, walking ahead of me on the path toward home. As I watch him from behind, I am drawn to more closely follow on the path…” <a href="http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/larrycrabb.htm"><strong>Larry Crabb</strong></a>, endorsement of <em>Abba’s Child </em></p>
<p>“I began practicing meditation, specifically breath prayer, once again. I integrated the use of Tai Chi and yoga” <strong><a href="http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/musicians.htm">John Michael Talbot</a></strong>, Interview with <em>Christianity Today</em> 10/22/2001</p>
<p>“[Y]ou and I may have strong opinions on double predestination, supralapsarianism, and<strong> biblical inerrancy</strong>, but these should not be considered evangelical essentials.”<strong> <a href="http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/richardfoster.htm">Richard Foster</a></strong></p>
<p>“We’re rediscovering Christianity as an Eastern religion, as a way of life.”– <strong>Rob Bell, Teaching Pastor Mars Hill Bible Church </strong>from <a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2004/011/12.36.html">The Emergent Mystique,</a> <em>Christianity Today</em></p>
<p>“Today I personally believe that while Jesus came to open the door to God’s house, all human beings can walk through that door, whether they know about Jesus or not. Today I see it as my call to help every person claim his or her own way to God.” <strong><a href="http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/nouwen.htm">Henri Nouwen</a>,<em> Sabbatical Journey</em></strong></p>
<p><strong>“Isn’t it a pity that people are going into LSD</strong> to have spiritual experiences, when we have a tradition in the Church [contemplative prayer] which no one knows anything about?”<a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20060425035122/nineoclockservice.tripod.com/mattiefx.htm">source</a> <strong><a href="http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/merton.htm">Thomas Merton</a></strong></p>
<p>“My acquaintance with eastern methods of meditation has convinced me that … there are ways of calming the mind in the spiritual disciplines of both the east and the west [and] many serious seekers of truth study the eastern religions,…”<br />
<a href="http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/keating.htm"><strong>Thomas Keating</strong></a></p>
<p>Lies, Lies and more lies.</p>
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