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		<title>What if My Obedience to God Costs Other People?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They laid hold upon one Simon . . . and on him they laid the cross. (Luke 23:26 KJV) If we obey God it is going to cost other people more than it costs us, and that is where the sting comes in. If we are in love with our Lord, obedience does not cost [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=2586&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em><strong>They laid hold upon one Simon . . . and on him they laid the cross.</strong> (Luke 23:26 KJV)</em></p>
<p>If we obey God it is going to cost other people more than it costs us, and that is where the sting comes in. If we are in love with our Lord, obedience does not cost us anything, it is a delight, but it costs those who do not love Him a good deal. If we obey God it will mean that other people&#8217;s plans are upset, and they will gibe us with it &#8211; &#8220;You call this Christianity?&#8221; We can prevent the suffering; but if we are going to obey God, we must not prevent it, we must let the cost be paid.</p>
<p>Our human pride entrenches itself on this point, and we say &#8211; I will never accept anything from anyone. We shall have to, or disobey God. We have no right to expect to be in any other relation than our Lord Himself was in (see Luke 8:2-3).</p>
<p>Stagnation in spiritual life comes when we say we will bear the whole thing ourselves. We cannot. We are so involved in the universal purposes of God that immediately we obey God, others are affected. Are we going to remain loyal in our obedience to God and go through the humiliation of refusing to be independent, or are we going to take the other line and say &#8211; I will not cost other people suffering? We can disobey God if we choose, and it will bring immediate relief to the situation, but we shall be a grief to our Lord. Whereas if we obey God, He will look after those who have been pressed into the consequences of our obedience. We have simply to obey and to leave all consequences with Him.</p>
<p>Beware of the inclination to dictate to God as to what you will allow to happen if you obey Him.</p>
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		<title>The absoluteness of Jesus Christ</title>
		<link>http://truedsicernment.com/2008/05/06/the-absoluteness-of-jesus-christ/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 20:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Crossroads:   My Goal is God Himself. . . At any cost, dear Lord, by any road.   &#8220;He shall glorify Me. John 16:14.   &#8220;The pietistic [or emergent, universalist, mystical] movements of to-day have none of the rugged reality of the New Testament about them; there is nothing about them that needs the [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=988&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="margin:0;"><strong><a href="http://www.crossroad.to/HisWord/notes/oswald/absoluteness-of-Jesus.htm" target="_blank">From Crossroads:</a></strong></p>
<p style="margin:0;"> </p>
<p style="margin:0;">My Goal is God Himself. . .</p>
<p style="margin:0;">At any cost, dear Lord, by any road.</p>
<p style="margin:0;"> </p>
<p style="margin:0;">&#8220;He shall glorify Me. John 16:14.</p>
<p style="margin:0;"> </p>
<p style="margin:0;">&#8220;The pietistic [or emergent, universalist, mystical] movements of to-day have none of the rugged reality of the New Testament about them; there is nothing about them that needs the death of Jesus Christ, all that is required is a pious atmosphere [authentic relationships], and prayer&#8230;. This type of experience is not supernatural nor miraculous, it did not cost the passion of God, it is not dyed in the blood of the Lamb, not stamped with the hall-mark of the Holy Ghost.</p>
<p style="margin:0;"> </p>
<p style="margin:0;">It has not that mark on it which makes men say, as they look with awe and wonder—‘That is the work of God Almighty.’ That and nothing else is what the New Testament talks about.</p>
<p style="margin:0;"> </p>
<p style="margin:0;">The type of Christian experience in the New Testament is that of personal, passionate devotion to the Person of Jesus Christ. Every other type of Christian experience, so called, is detached from the Person of Jesus. There is no regeneration, no being born again into the Kingdom in which Christ lives, but only the idea that He is our Pattern. In the New Testament Jesus Christ is Saviour long before He is Pattern. To-day He is being despatched as the Figurehead of a religion, a mere Example. He is that, but He is infinitely more; He is salvation itself. He is the Gospel of God.</p>
<p style="margin:0;"> </p>
<p style="margin:0;">Jesus said—“When He, the Spirit of truth, is come, . . . He shall glorify Me.” When I commit myself to the revelation made in the New Testament, I receive from God the gift of the Holy Spirit Who begins to interpret to me what Jesus did, and does in me subjectively what Jesus Christ did for me objectively.</p>
<p style="margin:0;"> </p>
<p style="margin:0;">Oswald Chambers, My utmost for his highest : November 29</p>
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		<title>CLOUDS AND DARKNESS</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;Clouds and darkness are round about Him.&#8221; Psalm 97:2 A man who has not been born of the Spirit of God will tell you that the teachings of Jesus are simple. But when you are baptized with the Holy Ghost, you find &#8220;clouds and darkness are round about Him.&#8221; When we come into close contact with [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=568&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em><strong>&#8220;Clouds and darkness are round about Him.&#8221;</strong></em> Psalm 97:2</p>
<p>A man who has not been born of the Spirit of God will tell you that the teachings of Jesus are simple. But when you are baptized with the Holy Ghost, you find &#8220;clouds and darkness are round about Him.&#8221; When we come into close contact with the teachings of Jesus Christ we have our first insight into this aspect of things. The only possibility of understanding the teaching of Jesus is by the light of the Spirit of God on the inside. If we have never had the experience of taking our commonplace religious shoes off our commonplace religious feet, and getting rid of all the undue familiarity with which we approach God, it is questionable whether we have ever stood in His presence. The people who are flippant and familiar are those who have never yet been introduced to Jesus Christ. After the amazing delight and liberty of realizing what Jesus Christ <i>does, </i>  comes the impenetrable darkness of realizing Who He <i>is.</i></p>
<p>Jesus said: &#8220;The words that I speak unto you,&#8221; not the words I have spoken, &#8220;they are spirit, and they are life.&#8221; The Bible has been so many words to us &#8211; clouds and darkness &#8211; then all of a sudden the words become spirit and life because Jesus re-speaks them to us in a particular condition. That is the way God speaks to us, not by visions and dreams, but by words. When a man gets to God it is by the most simple way of words.</p>
<p>- Oswald Chambers, My Utmost for His Highest</p>
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		<title>Attraction to the messenger, not the message</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Oswald Chambers: When we say, &#8220;What a wonderful personality, what a fascinating person, and what wonderful insight!&#8221; then what opportunity does the gospel of God have through all of that? It cannot get through, because the attraction is to the messenger and not the message. If a person attracts through his personality, that becomes [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=412&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Oswald Chambers:</p>
<blockquote><p>When we say, &#8220;What a wonderful personality, what a fascinating person, and what wonderful insight!&#8221; then what opportunity does the gospel of God have through all of that? It cannot get through, because the attraction is to the messenger and not the message. If a person attracts through his personality, that becomes his appeal. If, however, he is identified with the Lord Himself, then the appeal becomes what Jesus Christ can do. The danger is to glory in men, yet Jesus says we are to lift up only Him (see John 12:32 ).</p></blockquote>
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		<title>The Transfigured Life</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If any man be in Christ, he is a new creature; old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. (2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV) What idea have you of the salvation of your soul? The experience of salvation means that in your actual life things are really altered, you no longer look at [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=399&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>If any man be in Christ, he is a new creature; old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. (2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV) </em></p>
<p>What idea have you of the salvation of your soul? The experience of salvation means that in your actual life things are really altered, you no longer look at things as you used to; your desires are new, old things have lost their power. One of the touchstones of experience is &#8211; Has God altered the thing that matters? If you still hanker after the old things, it is absurd to talk about being born from above, you are juggling with yourself. If you are born again, the Spirit of God makes the alteration manifest in your actual life and reasoning, and when the crisis comes you are the most amazed person on earth at the wonderful difference there is in you. There is no possibility of imagining that you did it. It is this complete and amazing alteration that is the evidence that you are a saved soul.</p>
<p>What difference has my salvation and sanctification made? For instance, can I stand in the light of 1 Corinthians 13, or do I have to shuffle? The salvation that is worked out in me by the Holy Ghost emancipates me entirely, and as long as I walk in the light as God is in the light, He sees nothing to censure because His life is working out in every particular, not to my consciousness, but deeper than my consciousness.</p>
<p> Oswald Chambers &#8211; My Utmost for his Highest</p>
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		<title>PARTAKERS OF HIS SUFFERINGS</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 15:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;Rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ&#8217;s sufferings.&#8221; 1 Peter 4:13 If you are going to be used by God, He will take you through a multitude of experiences that are not meant for you at all, they are meant to make you useful in His hands, and to enable you to understand what transpires in [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=368&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em><strong>&#8220;Rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ&#8217;s sufferings.&#8221;</strong> </em>1 Peter 4:13</p>
<p>If you are going to be used by God, He will take you through a multitude of experiences that are not meant for you at all, they are meant to make you useful in His hands, and to enable you to understand what transpires in other souls so that you will never be surprised at what you come across. Oh, I can&#8217;t deal with that person. Why not? God gave you ample opportunity to soak before Him on that line, and you barged off because it seemed stupid to spend time in that way.</p>
<p>The sufferings of Christ are not those of ordinary men. He suffered &#8220;according to the will of God,&#8221; not from the point of view we suffer from as individuals. It is only when we are related to Jesus Christ that we can understand what God is after in His dealings with us. It is part of Christian culture to know what God&#8217;s aim is. In the history of the Christian Church the tendency has been to evade being identified with the sufferings of Jesus Christ; men have sought to procure the carrying out of God&#8217;s order by a short cut of their own. God&#8217;s way is always the way of suffering, the way of the &#8220;long, long trail.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are we partakers of Christ&#8217;s sufferings? Are we prepared for God to stamp our personal ambitions right out? Are we prepared for God to destroy by transfiguration our individual determinations? It will not mean that we know exactly why God is taking us that way, that would make us spiritual prigs. We never realize at the time what God is putting us through; we go through it more or less misunderstandingly; then we come to a luminous place, and say &#8211; &#8216; &#8216;Why, God has girded me, though I did not know it!&#8221;</p>
<p>- Oswald Chambers: My Utmost for His Highest</p>
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		<title>WHAT&#8217;S THE GOOD OF TEMPTATION?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em><strong>&#8220;There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man.&#8221;</strong> </em>1 Corinthians 10:13</p>
<p>The word &#8220;temptation&#8221; has come down in the world; we are apt to use it wrongly. Temptation is not sin, it is the thing we are bound to meet if we are men. Not to be tempted would be to be beneath contempt. Many of us, however, suffer from temptations from which we have no business to suffer, simply because we have refused to let God lift us to a higher plane where we would face temptations of another order.</p>
<p>A man&#8217;s disposition on the inside, i.e., what he possesses in his personality, determines what he is tempted by on the outside. The temptation fits the nature of the one tempted, and reveals the possibilities of the nature. Every man has the setting of his own temptation, and the temptation will come along the line of the ruling disposition.</p>
<p>Temptation is a suggested short cut to the realization of the highest at which I aim &#8211; not towards what I understand as evil, but towards what I understand as good. Temptation is something that completely baffles me for a while, I do not know whether the thing is right or wrong. Temptation yielded to is lust deified, and is a proof that it was timidity that prevented the sin before.</p>
<p>Temptation is not something we may escape, it is essential to the full-orbed life of a man. Beware lest you think you are tempted as no one else is tempted; what you go through is the common inheritance of the race, not something no one ever went through before. God does not save us from temptations; He succours us in the midst of them (Heb. 2:18).</p>
<p>- Oswald Chambers, My Utmost for His Highest</p>
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		<title>THE DIVINE REGION OF RELIGION</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret.&#8221; Matthew 6:6 The main idea in the region of religion is &#8211; Your eyes upon God, not on men. Do not have as your motive the desire to be known as a [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=200&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><em>&#8220;But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret.&#8221;</em></strong> Matthew 6:6</p>
<p>The main idea in the region of religion is &#8211; Your eyes upon God, not on men. Do not have as your motive the desire to be known as a praying man. Get an inner chamber in which to pray where no one knows you are praying, shut the door and talk to God in secret. Have no other motive than to know your Father in heaven. It is impossible to conduct your life as a disciple without definite times of secret prayer.</p>
<p>But when ye pray use not vain repetitions . . . (v.7). God does not hear us because we are in earnest, but only on the ground of Redemption. God is never impressed by our earnestness. Prayer is not simply getting things from God, that is a most initial form of prayer; prayer is getting into perfect communion with God. If the Son of God is formed in us by regeneration, He will press forward in front of our common sense and change our attitude to the things about which we pray.</p>
<p>&#8220;Everyone that asketh receiveth.&#8221; We pray pious blether, our will is not in it, and then we say God does not answer; we never asked for anything. &#8220;Ye shall ask what ye will,&#8221; said Jesus. Asking means our will is in it. Whenever Jesus talked about prayer, He put it with the grand simplicity of a child: we bring in our critical temper and say &#8211; Yes, but . . . Jesus said &#8220;Ask.&#8221; But remember that we have to ask of God things that are in keeping with the God Whom Jesus Christ revealed.</p>
<p>- Oswald Chambers, My Utmost for His Highest</p>
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		<title>Theology Alive</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;Walk while ye have the light lest darkness come upon you.&#8221;</strong> (John 12:35</p>
<p>Beware of not acting upon what you see in your moments on the mount with God. If you do not obey the light, it will turn into darkness. &#8220;If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!&#8221; The second you waive the question of sanctification or any other thing upon which God gave you light, you begin to get dry rot in your spiritual life. Continually bring the truth out into actuality; work it out in every domain, or the very light you have will prove a curse.</p>
<p>The most difficult person to deal with is the one who has the smug satisfaction of an experience to which he can refer back, but who is not working it out in practical life. If you <em>say</em> you are sanctified, <em>show</em> it. The experience must be so genuine that it is shown in the life. Beware of any belief that makes you self-indulgent; it came from the pit, no matter how beautiful it sounds.</p>
<p>Theology must work itself out in the most practical relationships. &#8220;Except your righteousness shall <em>exceed</em> the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees . . .&#8221; said Our Lord, i.e., you must be more moral than the most moral being you know. You may know all about the doctrine of sanctification, but are you running it out into the practical issues of your life? Every bit of your life, physical, moral and spiritual, is to be judged by the standard of the Atonement.</p>
<p>(Oswald Chambers, <strong>My Utmost for His Highest</strong>, 175,176)</p>
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		<title>SELF-CONSCIOUSNESS</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Come unto Me.&#8221; Matthew 11:28 God means us to live a fully-orbed life in Christ Jesus, but there are times when that life is attacked from the outside, and we tumble into a way of introspection which we thought had gone. Self-consciousness is the first thing that will upset the completeness of the life in God, [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=138&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Come unto Me.&#8221; </em>Matthew 11:28</p>
<p>God means us to live a fully-orbed life in Christ Jesus, but there are times when that life is attacked from the outside, and we tumble into a way of introspection which we thought had gone. Self-consciousness is the first thing that will upset the completeness of the life in God, and self-consciousness continually produces wrestling. Self-consciousness is not sin; it may be produced by a nervous temperament or by a sudden dumping down into new circumstances. It is never God&#8217;s will that we should be anything less than absolutely complete in Him. Anything that disturbs rest in Him must be cured at once, and it is not cured by being ignored, but by coming to Jesus Christ. If we come to Him and ask Him to produce Christ-consciousness, He will always do it until we learn to abide in Him.</p>
<p>Never allow the dividing up of your life in Christ to remain without facing it. Beware of leakage, of the dividing up of your life by the influence of friends or of circumstances; beware of anything that is going to split up your oneness with Him and make you see yourself separately. Nothing is so important as to keep right spiritually. The great solution is the simple one &#8211; &#8220;Come unto Me.&#8221; The depth of our reality, intellectually, morally and spiritually, is tested by these words. In every degree in which we are not real, we will dispute rather than come.</p>
<p>- (Oswald Chambers, My Utmost for His Highest, August 19th)</p>
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