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		<title>Joel Osteen &#8220;prays&#8221; (to someone or something) for Perry, &amp; believes Romney is a &#8220;Christian&#8221;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everytime this man opens his mouth he displays his ignorance and proof that he has zero knowledge of God&#8217;s Word<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=6814&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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		<title>Mormonism moves into the American mainstream?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[from The Guardian: The stone-clad building stands on a busy intersection in the heart of Manhattan&#8217;s Upper West Side. There is little to distinguish it from any other modern place of worship in New York: it has a simple design, subtly decorated windows and a modest spire – one topped by a golden statue of [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=6784&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/16/romney-leads-charge-mormonism-american-mainstream" target="_blank">from The Guardian:</a></strong></p>
<p>The stone-clad building stands on a busy intersection in the heart of Manhattan&#8217;s Upper West Side. There is little to distinguish it from any other modern place of worship in New York: it has a simple design, subtly decorated windows and a modest spire – one topped by a golden statue of a trumpet-wielding angel. And that is the difference: the angel, unfamiliar to most Christians, is called Moroni.</p>
<p>The building is the Manhattan temple of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, better known around the world as the Mormons. There are other temples scattered throughout New York, serving a growing community in the city of one of the world&#8217;s youngest but fastest-spreading faiths. Normally associated with the desert mountains of Utah, where it has its headquarters, the church&#8217;s 6 million-plus members are rapidly rising to prominence in America&#8217;s consciousness: two Mormons are running for the Republican presidential nomination. Indeed, Mitt Romney is a frontrunner in that race and by 2013 the US could have a Mormon president.</p>
<p>There are already 15 Mormons in Congress, including Democratic Senate leader Harry Reid. Rightwing media firebrand Glenn Beck is a Mormon. So is rock star Brandon Flowers, lead singer of the Killers, and former Utah governor Jon Huntsman, contending with Romney for the Republican nomination. Mormons run businesses such as hotel chain Marriott International, and shows about them – such as the HBO drama <em>Big Love</em> – are television hits. For a faith that has often been persecuted, Mormonism, it seems, has never been more American.</p>
<p>&#8220;I am not only a New Yorker and a Mormon, but I am proud to be so. I have raised a family here,&#8221; says David Buckner, a business consultant who worships at the Manhattan temple. For Buckner, 48, who has called New York home since 1995, the city and Mormonism are a perfect fit. &#8220;There is a deep respect for different religions here in New York. People are respectful of our mores and values.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is not true everywhere. Robert Jeffress, a leading conservative Baptist minister with links to Romney&#8217;s rival for the nomination Rick Perry, recently launched a blistering attack on the faith, calling it a &#8220;cult&#8221; and saying it is &#8220;not Christianity&#8221;. Others appear to view the emergence of Mormonism into everyday life with nervousness: a poll in June found one in five US voters would oppose a Mormon candidate for president.</p>
<p>Nor is that a reflection of concern only on the religious right. Mormonism takes a strong view against gay marriage: it has provided financial backing for campaigns to stop same-sex couples getting full married rights, notably in California in 2008. The church&#8217;s actions triggered nationwide protests by campaigners.</p>
<p>Fred Karger, a gay Republican running at the back of the pack in the 2012 nomination race, has become a vocal critic of Mormonism. &#8220;My major concern with the Mormon faith is the basic tenet of obedience. If a President Romney got a call from the president of the LDS [Latter Day Saints], he has no choice but to obey. It is obedience over family and country,&#8221; he says.</p>
<p>That comment echoes criticisms levelled at President Kennedy, when his Catholicism – and theoretical obligation to the papacy – came under attack. But it also raises the questions of just what Mormons believe in and where the swiftly spreading religion comes from. &#8220;In general, a lot of Americans know very little about the Mormon faith,&#8221; says David Cohen, a political scientist at the University of Akron.</p>
<p>It began in the 1820s in upstate New York when the church&#8217;s founder, Joseph Smith, claimed to have discovered a holy work, inscribed on a set of golden plates, called the <em>Book of Mormon</em>. It included an account of Jesus appearing in the US. Smith drew together a group of followers and, fleeing persecution, began a movement west before being killed by a mob in Illinois. His successors  settled in Utah and continued the church&#8217;s controversial acceptance of polygamy, allowing men to take multiple wives.</p>
<p>The modern church, however, has long condemned plural marriages, though it continues with several practices at variance with other Christian faiths. For example, many members wear special underwear, known as &#8220;temple garments&#8221;. The church also places special emphasis on converting the dead: because of their belief that families are eternal, Mormons feel a duty to posthumously baptise ancestors so that all may be together in heaven. That is why the church is behind a huge genealogical effort to collect family histories.</p>
<p>Sometimes boundaries are overstepped in the tracing of ancestors. The church became embroiled in controversy after Holocaust victims were found on its databases. In 2009, it was discovered that Barack Obama&#8217;s recently deceased mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, had been posthumously baptised.</p>
<p>Of course, while to non-Mormons much of this can seem strange, the same could be said about many traditional practices of other faiths. What Mormonism is dealing with is not its beliefs, but its newness. Other religions&#8217; prophets lived hundreds or thousands of years ago and have become an accepted part of human culture. Mormonism was born in the industrial era. Its expansion is coming at a time of iPhones and the internet, and its entry into the mainstream is bound to involve scrutiny of its agenda.</p>
<p>&#8220;The church is eager for it to be better known and a bigger player. They see that as part of their churchly mission,&#8221; says Matthew Burbank, a political expert at the University of Utah.</p>
<p>The LDS is also nothing if not media-savvy. It has launched an ad campaign to &#8220;normalise&#8221; its image, with portraits of people from diverse backgrounds under the slogan &#8220;I&#8217;m a Mormon&#8221;. &#8220;There&#8217;s a national conversation going on about Mormonism and we want to be a part of it,&#8221; says LDS spokesman Eric Hawkins.</p>
<p>But it is not hard to find Mormons in Manhattan. Take Natalie Hill, 30, a Broadway dancer. She does not drink or smoke, which the faith discourages, but that does not interfere with her enjoyment of New York; she even pens a blog called Mormon in Manhattan. &#8220;People are sometimes afraid of what they don&#8217;t know,&#8221; she says. &#8220;I am just like every other New Yorker, but I have a deep faith that roots me in where I come from.&#8221;</p>
<p>She is happy to confirm that she wears temple garments – though not when she is working. &#8220;I know people call them &#8216;magic underpants&#8217;, but I don&#8217;t wear them on stage,&#8221; she laughs.</p>
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		<title>What is Mormonism? What do Mormons believe?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 18:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Humanism teaches that man can be a God or be like God. Mormonism is nothing more than Humanism cloaked with Christian sounding words! from Got Questions: The Mormon religion (Mormonism), whose followers are known as Mormons and Latter Day Saints (LDS), was founded less than two hundred years ago by a man named Joseph Smith. [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=6775&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humanism teaches that man can be a God or be like God. Mormonism is nothing more than Humanism cloaked with Christian sounding words!</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.gotquestions.org" target="_blank">from Got Questions:</a></strong></p>
<p>The Mormon religion (Mormonism), whose followers are known as Mormons and Latter Day Saints (LDS), was founded less than two hundred years ago by a man named Joseph Smith. He claimed to have received a personal visit from God the Father and Jesus Christ who told him that all churches and their creeds were an abomination. Joseph Smith then set out to begin a brand-new religion that claims to be the “only true church on earth.” The problem with Mormonism is that it contradicts,modifies, and expands on the Bible. Christians have no reason to believe that the Bible is not true and adequate. To truly believe in and trust God means to believe in His Word, and all Scripture is inspired by God, which means it comes from Him (2 Timothy 3:16).</p>
<p>Mormons believe that there are in fact four sources of divinely inspired words, not just one: 1) The Bible “as far as it is translated correctly.” Which verses are considered incorrectly translated is not always made clear. 2) The Book of Mormon, which was “translated” by Smith and published in 1830. Smith claimed it is the “most correct book” on earth and that a person can get closer to God by following its precepts “than by any other book.” 3) The Doctrine and Covenants, containing a collection of modern revelations regarding the “Church of Jesus Christ as it has been restored.” 4) The Pearl of the Great Price, which is considered by Mormons to “clarify” doctrines and teachings that were lost from the Bible and adds its own information about the earth&#8217;s creation.</p>
<p>Mormons believe the following about God: He has not always been the Supreme Being of the universe, but attained that status through righteous living and persistent effort. They believe God the Father has a “body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s.” Though abandoned by modern Mormon leaders, Brigham Young taught that Adam actually was God and the father of Jesus Christ. In contrast, Christians know this about God: there is only one true God (Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 43:10; 44:6-8), He always has existed and always will exist (Deuteronomy 33:27; Psalm 90:2; 1 Timothy 1:17), and He was not created but is the Creator (Genesis 1; Psalm 24:1; Isaiah 37:16). He is perfect, and no one else is equal to Him (Psalm 86:8; Isaiah 40:25). God the Father is not a man, nor was He ever (Numbers 23:19; 1 Samuel 15:29; Hosea 11:9). He is Spirit (John 4:24), and Spirit is not made of flesh and bone (Luke 24:39).</p>
<p>Mormons believe that there are different levels or kingdoms in the afterlife: the celestial kingdom, the terrestrial kingdom, the telestial kingdom, and outer darkness. Where mankind will end up depends on what they believe and do in this life. In contrast, the Bible tells us that after death, we go to heaven or hell based on whether or not we had faith in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. To be absent from our bodies means, as believers, we are with the Lord (2 Corinthians 5:6-8). Unbelievers are sent to hell or the place of the dead (Luke 16:22-23). When Jesus comes the second time, we will receive new bodies (1 Corinthians 15:50-54). There will be a new heaven and new earth for believers (Revelation 21:1), and unbelievers will be thrown into an everlasting lake of fire (Revelation 20:11-15). There is no second chance for redemption after death (Hebrews 9:27).</p>
<p>Mormon leaders have taught that Jesus’ incarnation was the result of a physical relationship between God the Father and Mary. Mormons believe Jesus is a god, but that any human can also become a god. Mormonism teaches that salvation can be earned by a combination of faith and good works. Contrary to this, Christians historically have taught that no one can achieve the status of God—only He is holy (1 Samuel 2:2). We can only be made holy in God&#8217;s sight through faith in Him (1 Corinthians 1:2). Jesus is the only begotten Son of God (John 3:16), is the only one ever to have lived a sinless, blameless life, and now has the highest place of honor in heaven (Hebrews 7:26). Jesus and God are one in essence, Jesus being the only One existing before physical birth (John 1:1-8; 8:56). Jesus gave Himself to us as a sacrifice, God raised Him from the dead, and one day everyone will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord (Philippians 2:6-11). Jesus tells us it is impossible to get to heaven by our own works and that only by faith in Him is it possible (Matthew 19:26). We all deserve eternal punishment for our sins, but God&#8217;s infinite love and grace have allowed us a way out. “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:23).</p>
<p>Clearly, there is only one way to receive salvation and that is to know God and His Son, Jesus (John 17:3). It is not done by works, but by faith (Romans 1:17; 3:28). We can receive this gift no matter who we are or what we have done (Romans 3:22). “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).</p>
<p>Although Mormons are usually friendly, loving, and kind people, they are deceived by a false religion that distorts the nature of God, the Person of Jesus Christ, and the means of salvation.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is an interesting case and it highlights a misnomer in what is considered a &#8220;church&#8221; today. All of the organizations listed in the suit as supporting the Lutherans, and the Lutherans themselves are really nothing more than non-profit coporations. Non-profits that are registered with the IRS and federal government as such. And in doing [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=6773&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting case and it highlights a misnomer in what is considered a &#8220;church&#8221; today. All of the organizations listed in the suit as supporting the Lutherans, and the Lutherans themselves are really nothing more than non-profit coporations. Non-profits that are registered with the IRS and federal government as such. And in doing so they have given themselves over to be regulated by the Federal Government and all its laws!</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/terence-p-jeffrey/doj-feds-can-tell-church-who-its-ministers-will-be" target="_blank">from CNS News:</a></strong></p>
<p>In yet another stunning attack on freedom of religion, President Barack Obama&#8217;s Justice Department asked the Supreme Court last week to give the federal government the power to tell a church who its ministers will be.</p>
<p>The case involves a former teacher at Lutheran school, who along with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission is pushing a claim that a Lutheran congregation should be forced to restore her ministry position.</p>
<p>Americans United for Separation of Church and State and American Atheists, Inc. have filed briefs siding with the Obama administration against the church.</p>
<p>The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints, the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations, and the American Center for Law and Justice are among those who have filed briefs supporting the Lutherans.</p>
<p>In 1999, the Hosanna-Tabor Evangelical Lutheran Church and School in Redford, Mich., hired Cheryl Perich to be a lay teacher on a one-year contract in its kindergarten.</p>
<p>The next year, Perich became a &#8220;called&#8221; teacher at the school after she became a commissioned minister in the church.</p>
<p>&#8220;To receive a call, a candidate must be selected by a local church congregation,&#8221; said a brief the church submitted to the Supreme Court that was prepared by lawyers at the Beckett Fund for Religious Liberty and Douglas Laycock of the University of Virginia Law School.</p>
<p>&#8220;At Hosanna-Tabor, the school board typically presents a choice of candidates to the congregation, and after prayerfully considering the candidates, the congregation extends a call via congregational vote,&#8221; the brief said. &#8220;Once the call has been accepted, the candidate is installed in office via the public rite of &#8216;commissioning,&#8217; and is recognized as a &#8216;Minister of Religion, Commissioned&#8217; — also known as a &#8216;commissioned minister.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>As a minister in the school, Perich taught religious classes, led students in prayer and performed other religious tasks. She was also expected to integrate the teaching of the Lutheran faith into all so-called &#8220;secular&#8221; classes, including math, science, social studies and art.</p>
<p>In 2004, Perich was diagnosed with narcolepsy and was unable to teach the fall semester. In January 2005, when she could not return, the school hired another teacher to take her place during the spring.</p>
<p>Later that month, according to a brief filed by the Justice Department&#8217;s Office of the Solicitor General, Perich informed the school&#8217;s principal, Stacey Hoeft, via email that she would be able to return to work the following month.</p>
<p>The principal informed her they had already hired a replacement teacher for the rest of the year.</p>
<p>The congregation then voted to ask Perich for a &#8220;peaceful release from her call.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;Peaceful release&#8217; is a religious act by which a congregation and a called minister agree to release one another from the mutual obligations of the call,&#8221; says the brief submitted by the church.</p>
<p>&#8220;Peaceful releases are common, and they leave the called minister in good standing and eligible for a new call.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perich declined to be peacefully released. In late February, she showed up at the school and met with Principal Hoeft.</p>
<p>&#8220;Later that day, Perich told Hoeft that if she were not reinstated, she would sue the church,&#8221; said the church&#8217;s brief. &#8220;Hoeft immediately asked Perich if that were what she really meant, because a lawsuit would clearly violate the church&#8217;s conflict resolution policy applicable to called employees. Perich repeated the threat.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod explained this teaching in its own brief: &#8220;St. Paul teaches in his first letter to the Corinthians that Christians should generally resolve their disputes internally without going to the secular courts for relief.&#8221; For this reason, the church has developed procedures for settling internal disputes.</p>
<p>A few weeks after the meeting between Perich and Hoeft, the Hosanna-Tabor congregation voted to &#8220;rescind Perich&#8217;s call&#8221; because she had threatened to sue the church contrary to the church&#8217;s teaching.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission filed a complaint against the church under the Americans With Disabilities Act, alleging a single count of retaliation,&#8221; says the church&#8217;s brief. &#8220;Perich intervened, alleging the same retaliation claim and adding a retaliation claim under state law. Neither complaint alleges disability discrimination. Both complaints request an order reinstating Perich to her former position as a commissioned minister, together with back pay, compensatory damages, punitive damages, and injunctive relief ordering new &#8216;policies, practices, and programs&#8217; at the church.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod told the court in its brief that its views on the ministry and the settlement of disputes may not be &#8220;widely shared&#8221; or &#8220;widely understood.&#8221; &#8220;But,&#8221; the church said, &#8220;they have been the views of orthodox Lutherans for centuries.&#8221;</p>
<p>Acting Deputy Solicitor General Leondra Kruger told the court, during oral arguments, that the federal government should be able to trump the church on these decisions.</p>
<p>&#8220;Their submission is that the hiring and firing decisions with respect to parochial school teachers and with respect to priests is categorically off limits,&#8221; said Kruger. &#8220;And we think that that is a rule that is insufficiently attentive to the relative public and private interests at stake, interests that this court has repeatedly recognized are important in determining freedom of association claims.&#8221;</p>
<p>Kruger contended this did not mean the government could order the Catholic Church to ordain female priests. But, even then, according to her argument, it would be a matter of the government weighing &#8220;the relative public and private interests at stake.&#8221;</p>
<p>What is at stake is the First Amendment and the religious freedom of all Americans.</p>
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		<title>Perry disagrees with pastor who says Romney is in a cult</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Pastor was wrong about Perry and Prerry was wrong about Mitt Romney! The Evangelical Presidential &#8220;Poster Boy&#8221; Candidate shows once again why he is no different than the Universalism touting George W. Bush! When will Christians STOP allowing themselves to be mislead by Politicians? from The Denver Post: The pastor who introduced Texas Gov. [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=6767&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Pastor was wrong about Perry and Prerry was wrong about Mitt Romney!</p>
<p>The Evangelical Presidential &#8220;Poster Boy&#8221; Candidate shows once again why he is no different than the Universalism touting George W. Bush!</p>
<p>When will Christians STOP allowing themselves to be mislead by Politicians?</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_19066853?source=rss" target="_blank">from The Denver Post:</a></strong></p>
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<p>The pastor who introduced Texas Gov. Rick Perry​ at a conservative gathering Friday said rival presidential candidate Mitt Romney​ is not a Christian and is in a cult because he<br />
is a Mormon.</p>
<p>Robert Jeffress, senior pastor at First Baptist Church in Dallas, endorsed Perry at the Values Voter Summit, introducing him as &#8220;a proven leader, a true conservative, and a committed follower of Christ.&#8221;</p>
<p>After his remarks, Jeffress told reporters that Perry&#8217;s religion is different from Romney&#8217;s.</p>
<p>&#8220;Rick Perry&#8217;s a Christian. He&#8217;s an evangelical Christian, a follower of Jesus Christ,&#8221; Jeffress said.</p>
<p>&#8220;Mitt Romney&#8217;s a good moral person, but he&#8217;s not a Christian. Mormonism is not Christianity. It has always been considered a cult by the mainstream of Christianity.&#8221;</p>
<p>Romney is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, whose members are commonly called Mormons.</p>
<p>Perry&#8217;s campaign said the Texas governor disagrees with Jeffress.&#8221;The governor does not believe Mormonism is a cult,&#8221; said spokesman Mark<br />
Miner.</p>
<p>Jeffress had made similar comments about Romney before, during the former Massachusetts governor&#8217;s first presidential run in 2008. <em></em></p>
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		<title>GLENN BECK: &#8220;THREE FAITHS, THREE PATHS TO GOD&#8230;&#8221;</title>
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		<title>Pat Robertson appears at Mitt Romney fundraiser</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well let me see, in the last Presidential election Mr. Robertson endorsed the pro-abortion, pro gay marriage candidate Rudy Giuliani. So this comes as no real surprise! from politico: The controversial religious broadcaster Pat Robertson joined Mitt Romney on Monday at a Virginia Beach fundraiser for the presidential candidate&#8217;s campaign. Pictures from the event, shot [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=6655&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well let me see, in the last Presidential election Mr. Robertson endorsed the pro-abortion, pro gay marriage candidate Rudy Giuliani.</p>
<p>So this comes as no real surprise!</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/60139.html" target="_blank">from politico:</a></strong></p>
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<p>The controversial religious broadcaster Pat Robertson joined Mitt Romney on Monday at a Virginia Beach fundraiser for the presidential candidate&#8217;s campaign.</p>
<p>Pictures from the event, shot by a local photographer, show Robertson and Romney in conversation together along with Jeff McWaters, a wealthy health care executive, state senator and the event&#8217;s host.</p>
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<p id="continue">Robertson, himself once a presidential candidate, has largely faded from the national political scene. His surprise endorsement of Rudy Giuliani in the 2008 campaign did little to boost the former New York mayor.</p>
<p>If Robertson&#8217;s name is in the news now, it&#8217;s only to recount his latest incendiary comment. Which is why it&#8217;s puzzling that Romney &#8211; an uber-cautious frontrunner &#8211; would appear with the former Christian Coalition chief.</p>
<p>The paper trail of Robertson&#8217;s is extensive and, along with his advancing age, is the reason why he&#8217;s become marginalized. He blamed Hurricane Katrina on America&#8217;s abortion policy, explained the Haiti earthquake by claiming the country had made a &#8220;pact with the devil,&#8221; the list goes on.</p>
<p>In 2007, when Romney was trying to get right with the GOP&#8217;s Christian conservative base, he trekked down to Virginia to give the graduation speech at Robertson&#8217;s Regent University.</p>
<p>But since then Romney&#8217;s top advisers have indicated that they won&#8217;t make the mistakes of the last campaign, chief among them pandering to the social conservative base instead of being true to his economic conservative roots.</p>
<p>And so far in this campaign, Romney has avoided the cultural issues of which Robertson is identified. So why would the candidate appear with someone who is still a lightning rod?</p>
<p>Perhaps McWaters, wanting to show his swat to a visiting VIP, simply invited (comp&#8217;d?) a prominent local figure. We&#8217;ll find out when the next financial reports come out if Robertson contributed. It&#8217;s also possible that Romney&#8217;s team, wanting to be polite, didn&#8217;t deter Robertson from coming and assumed that, because it was a private event, word wouldn&#8217;t get out.</p>
<p>In any case, what&#8217;s for sure is, if Romney is his party&#8217;s nominee, Democrats will relish having these pictures.</p>
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		<title>The Jesus of the Bible compared with the Jesus of Mormonism.</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[from Defending Contending: A former Mormon–one who came to a saving knowledge of the true, biblical Christ–penned the following piece found at Mormon Coffee: This is the Christ of Mormonism: 1. He lives as a humanoid god on a star near Kolob along with his father god, bound by the physical world; he does not [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=6542&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a href="http://defendingcontending.com/2011/05/17/the-jesus-of-the-bible-compared-with-the-jesus-of-mormonism-2/" target="_blank">from Defending Contending:</a></strong></p>
<p>A former Mormon–one who came to a saving knowledge of the true, biblical Christ–penned the following piece found at <a href="http://blog.mrm.org/2011/03/the-christ-of-mormonism-vs-the-christ-of-the-bible/">Mormon Coffee</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>This is the Christ of Mormonism:</strong></p>
<p>1. He lives as a humanoid god on a star near Kolob along with his father god, bound by the physical world; he does not transcend the material.<br />
2. He is the brother of satan.<br />
3. He had to earn his own salvation while he was on earth.<br />
4. He offers his “grace” only to those who work hard enough.<br />
5. He is not from everlasting to everlasting, but was created a finite time ago by his father god, who in turn was also created by his own father god, who in turn was created by his own father god, so on and so forth<br />
6. He is not the greatest being possible.<br />
7. He is finite.<br />
8. His blood is not powerful enough to wipe away any sin.<br />
9. He aided his father in creating earth by organizing already existing matter; he is not capable of creating things out of nothing.<br />
10. He must submit to a moral law that existed before he did.<br />
11. You can one day become just like him.</p>
<p><strong>This is the Christ of the Bible:</strong></p>
<p>1. He is a spirit being that transcends space and time.<br />
2. He is the brother of no creature; He is God, from everlasting to everlasting. No one can claim kinship with Him except those He purchased for Himself on the cross. And He is not the same type of creature they are. He is not a creature, He is God.<br />
3. Jesus is the Author of Salvation; to say that He needed to earn His salvation is absurdity.<br />
4. He offers His sovereign grace to whomever He sovereignly chooses; we are all tainted by sin and vile in His holy eyes. Therefore, no one is more worthy than any other human being. Thus, His grace that He offers is given unconditionally. His grace is true grace, a beautiful gift.<br />
5. He is from everlasting to everlasting. He was never created, and Has been in relationship with the Father and the Holy Spirit forever.<br />
6. He is the greatest being possible, the Most High God. There is no one like Him and there is no one who will ever be anything like Him.<br />
7. He is infinite, both in essence and in His divine perfections.<br />
8. His blood is powerful enough to wipe away any sin, regardless of heinousness and duration. The only sin that cannot be forgive is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; and this is not because the blood of Christ is not powerful enough to wash it away, but because God has so sovereignly decreed that all persons who blaspheme the Holy Ghost should not receive forgiveness.<br />
9. He created everything that exists out of nothing by the mere word of His mouth.<br />
10. There is no external law that He submits to; He is the Author and the Source of the Law.<br />
11. No one can ever come near to obtaining the glory and excellency of Christ.</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>For another article comparing the true Jesus of Scripture to that of the many counterfeit Christs of the false cults and religions, see <a href="http://defendingcontending.com/2010/03/14/which-jesus-do-you-worship/">Which Jesus Do You Worship?</a></strong></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many Evangelical Christian Leaders and Christians in general are cosying up to Glenn Beck but beware! The words of LDS (Mormon) Church President Gordon B. Hinkley in regards to whether Mormons believe in the Christ of The Bible &#38; Christianity: &#8220;As a Church, we have critics&#8211;many of them. They say we do not believe in [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=6387&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many Evangelical Christian Leaders and Christians in general are cosying up to Glenn Beck but beware!</p>
<p>The words of LDS (Mormon) Church President Gordon B. Hinkley in regards to whether Mormons believe in the Christ of The Bible &amp; Christianity:</p>
<p>&#8220;As a Church, we have critics&#8211;many of them. They say we do not believe in the traditional (<em>Biblical</em>) Christ of Christianity. There is some substance to what they say. Our Faith, our knowledge, is not based on ancient tradition (Th<em>e Bible</em>) . . .Our faith, our knowledge comes of the witness of a prophet (<em>Joseph Smith</em>) in this dispensation (<em>What the Book of Mormon says</em>)&#8221; <em>emphasis mine.</em></p>
<p>Mormons reject the truth of the Bible in preference to the fables of the Book of Mormon. I say fables because the Book of Mormon has been shown to be historically false, contradicts The Bible and makes factual errors in regards to Biblical History!</p>
<p>Leaders in the Mormon Church attempt to discourage doubts voiced by members of the Mormon Chruch by telling them to trust their heart &amp; to trust their &#8220;burning in the bosom&#8221; or emotion as the witness that the Book of Mormon is true even if what it says is devoid of ANY factual historical proof or disagree&#8217;s with The Bible!</p>
<p>This is in diametrical opposition to what the Bible says about trusting in your emotions and your heart.</p>
<p>Proverbs 28:26:</p>
<p><strong><em>He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.</em></strong></p>
<p>Jeremiah 17:9</p>
<p><strong><em>The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?</em></strong></p>
<p>There is a parallel to what the leaders of Mormonism tell their members about trusting in their heart and what you see in modern Pentecostalism. Modern Pentecostalism has become ship wrecked because it relies more on the emotional experience to the extent of ignoring God&#8217;s Word. Even if the emotional experience and the fruits of it denies God&#8217;s word!</p>
<p>Jesus himself said in Matthew 24:5: &amp; 24:23-28</p>
<p><strong><em>And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many . . . .</em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em> Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.  See, I have told you beforehand. “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.</em></strong></p>
<p>&#8220;The Prophet of this dispensation&#8221; that the Mormon President Gordon B Hiinkley speaks about is what Christ spoke of: &#8220;False prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible even the elect&#8221;</p>
<p>Beware of false prophets no matter how good their message seems, and no matter how much it tugs at our patriotic heart strings!</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to groan every time I read one of these articles. Because it shows just how shallow and blind the Evangelical church in the U.S. is becoming! How do you &#8220;dialogue&#8221; with a false religion whose foundational beliefs are straight from Satan? And let&#8217;s not forget what dialogue actually is: &#8220;A debate is a conflict [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=6359&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to groan every time I read one of these articles. Because it shows just how shallow and blind the Evangelical church in the U.S. is becoming!</p>
<p>How do you &#8220;dialogue&#8221; with a false religion whose foundational beliefs are straight from Satan?</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s not forget what dialogue actually is: &#8220;A debate is a conflict which clarifies a position. <span style="text-decoration:underline;">A dialogue is a conversation which compromises a position</span>&#8220;</p>
<p>And from <a href="http://www.americanpresbyterianchurch.org/new_neutralism.htm" target="_blank">The New Neutralism II</a>:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Neo-evangelicalism was born in 1948 in connection with a convocation address which I gave in the Civil Auditorium in Pasadena. While <strong>reaffirming the theological view of fundamentalism</strong>, this address <strong>repudiated</strong> its ecclesiology and <strong>its social theory</strong>. The ringing call for a <strong>repudiation of separatism</strong> and the <strong>summons to social involvement</strong> received a hearty response from many evangelicals. &#8230; It <strong><span style="color:#800000;">differed from fundamentalism in its repudiation of separatism and its determination to engage itself in the theological dialogue of the day</span></strong>. It had a new emphasis upon the application of the gospel to the sociological, political, and economic areas of life.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.christianpost.com/news/evangelicals-mormon-search-for-common-ground-in-utah-49351/" target="_blank">from the &#8220;christian&#8221; Post:</a></strong></p>
<p>A group of prominent evangelicals will meet with a Mormon leader Thursday in Salt Lake City, Utah, for dialogue to better understand each other&#8217;s faith.</p>
<p>Some of the evangelical leaders involved in the dialogue are: Leith Anderson, president of the National Association of Evangelicals; Richard Mouw, president of Fuller Theological Seminary; Craig Williford, president of Trinity International University; and David Neff, editor-in-chief of Christianity Today; among others.</p>
<p>&#8220;We hope this time of dialogue with LDS leaders will deepen our understanding of the Mormon faith and contribute to the ongoing work of evangelicals in Utah,&#8221; said Leith Anderson, NAE President. &#8220;For the sake of Christ and his kingdom, we seek to represent biblical evangelicalism to those who wouldn&#8217;t hear or know. We also look for common ground on issues where we can work together.&#8221;</p>
<p>The meeting between evangelical figures and a leader from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) takes place during the NAE semiannual board meeting. Board members, who include the CEOs of 40 denominations and representatives from a broad array of evangelical organizations, are gathering in Park City and Salt Lake City for the one-day meeting.</p>
<p>Galen Carey, director of government affairs for the NAE, clarified in an e-mail to The Christian Post that the NAE itself is not officially involved in the religious dialogue with the Mormon leader. Rather, some of the organization&#8217;s members will participate in the separate talk, he explained.</p>
<p>This is the first time a NAE board meeting is held in Utah, where about 60 percent of the population are members of the LDS church. . . . .</p>
<p>read the full article <a href="http://www.christianpost.com/news/evangelicals-mormon-search-for-common-ground-in-utah-49351/" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
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