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		<title>John Hagee&#8217;s Cornerstone Church welcomes gay groups</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[from My San Antonio: Every Sunday at Cornerstone Church, doors swing open to visitors from every part of the Alamo City and every walk of life. Viewers tune in from across the nation for evangelical services brimming with soaring music and fiery sermons. This Sunday, as the 40th anniversary of Stonewall — the birth of [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=4313&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>Every Sunday at Cornerstone Church, doors swing open to visitors from every part of the Alamo City and every walk of life. Viewers tune in from across the nation for evangelical services brimming with soaring music and fiery sermons.</p>
<p>This Sunday, as the 40th anniversary of Stonewall — the birth of the gay rights movement — was being observed, the Rev. John Hagee also welcomed a community that doesn’t traditionally attend. They were lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people.</p>
<p>The only things distinguishing them from the rest of the congregation were the small buttons they wore that read, “Gay? Fine by Me.”</p>
<p>Hagee addressed them at a reception after the 11 a.m. service and later spoke privately with LGBT leaders.</p>
<p>If any of them expected fireworks from the gatherings, none erupted. Everyone seemed surprised there were no surprises.</p>
<p>The visit, initiated by two Austin-based groups, Soulforce and Atticus Circle, were portrayed as groundbreaking. It was the first in a series of meetings called Sundays of Solidarity, in which the LGBT community will meet with faith communities. Its goals are to have tough conversations, but Sunday’s was to connect with people on a personal level.</p>
<p>Cornerstone members reacted positively.</p>
<p>“We really enjoyed the people we met,” said Buzz Park. “It was a pleasant experience.”</p>
<p>Kelli Busey, who traveled from Dallas, said Hagee’s welcome “couldn’t have been nicer, more heartfelt and productive. He opened the conversation in a very positive way.”</p>
<p>But just as there were no surprises, there were no miracles, either.</p>
<p>“I feel cautiously and hopefully optimistic,” said Jeff Lutes, founder and executive director of Soulforce.</p>
<p>Ultimately, the groups seek a better understanding of LGBT equality and pursuit of equal marriage rights. Lutes said they see “a clear connection between our civil rights and what the church is teaching,” pointing specifically to a sermon by Hagee in which he proposed a constitutional amendment protecting marriage.</p>
<p>Lutes also mentioned a more controversial sermon in which Hagee suggested that Hurricane Katrina was God’s punishment to New Orleans for its gay pride parade plans.</p>
<p>Church officials declined interviews but did issue a news release saying members of Soulforce and Atticus Circle would meet with its leadership “in the spirit of Christ that commands us to ‘love our neighbors as ourselves.&#8217;”</p>
<p>Marianne DeLeon of Soulforce met a Cornerstone member who was relieved that the group’s members weren’t “radical.”</p>
<p>“She was awesome,” DeLeon said. “‘God does not hate anyone.’ That’s what she said.”</p>
<p>But differences between the groups surfaced.</p>
<p>“All I can say is I love lesbians and homosexuals like anybody else,” said Joan Longoria, a member of the congregation. “We just don’t agree, because Scripture says it’s a sin.”</p>
<p>Jodie Eldridge, executive director of Atticus Circle, said Cornerstone was selected for the first visit because of its size and “some pretty atrocious things” said about homosexuals from the pulpit. “We hope to inspire other people across the country to do the same thing,” she said.</p>
<p>“We don’t expect miracles,” she said. “But if the dialogue continues, and we change one heart or one mind, over time, then we have been successful.”</p>
<p>Lutes initiated a similar effort last year in which LGBT groups visited various megachurches across the country, including Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif., and Joel Osteen’s Lakewood Church in Houston. “We had a variety of different experiences,” he said. “Some welcomed us. Some did not.”</p>
<p>If there was one issue in which everyone could agree, however, it seemed to be the quality of Cornerstone’s choir and soloists.</p>
<p>“The music was great,” said Judy Faris of Austin, who was among the LGBT group.</p></div>
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		<description><![CDATA[from Herescope:   &#8220;He Who Came to Jesus By Night&#8221; by Anton Bosch   We all know the story about Nicodemus who visited Jesus under the cover of darkness in John 3 and to whom Jesus spoke about being born again and to whom Jesus uttered the famous John 3:16. It is interesting to note [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=1034&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><a href="http://herescope.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"><strong>from Herescope:</strong></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;">&#8220;He Who Came to Jesus By Night&#8221;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;">by Anton Bosch</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;">We all know the story about Nicodemus who visited Jesus under the cover of darkness in John 3 and to whom Jesus spoke about being born again and to whom Jesus uttered the famous John 3:16.</p>
<p>It is interesting to note that Nicodemus is mentioned three times in John’s Gospel. In addition to the well-known passage in John 3, he is also mentioned in chapters 7 and 19. He is the only man by that name in the Bible and there can be little confusion about who he was. His name is not common like that of Mary or James, yet every time John refers to him, he refers to Nicodemus as “he who came to Jesus by night.” Thus his visit to Jesus at night became the thing that will forever identify him.</p>
<p>Then there was “Joseph of Arimathea&#8230; a disciple of Jesus, but secretly, for fear of the Jews” (John 19:38). Just like Nicodemus, Joseph was also a spiritual leader of the Jews who believed in Jesus but would not openly identify with Jesus and boldly declare his allegiance to the Son of God.</p>
<p>The reason for all the secrecy is obvious. It would not have been good for their image, popularity, and position in society if they had openly identified with Jesus. Thus they were no different to Peter, another leader amongst his peers who denied Jesus and would not openly side with his Teacher at a crucial time.</p>
<p>Just as the Jews of Jesus&#8217; day had departed from the true faith and were following their own traditions and inventions, rather than the Word of God, so many churches and denominations today have left, or are departing from, the true faith. They substitute this with a religion of their own traditions and imaginations. And just as in Jesus’ day there are still some spiritual leaders in churches who are exactly like Nicodemus, Joseph and Peter. They know the Truth but will not speak out for fear of what others will say, or because they fear the loss of their status, position or income.</p>
<p>These modern Nicodemuses will approach those who stand for the Truth under cover of darkness and, just like Nicodemus, recognize, acknowledge and support the Truth. But they will not take an open stand for Truth &#8212; and against error &#8212; for fear of the consequences. Almost every assembly and every denomination has its share of people like this, who will hide in the crowd while the Truth is denied, sold and crucified. While they know the Truth, they choose to remain secret agents, feeding information to those who are waging the battle, but they themselves prefer to operate at night, under cover of darkness.</p>
<p>We are familiar with the fact that Jesus spoke to Nicodemus about being born again, but have you ever looked at the entire message of Jesus to Nicodemus? Jesus concludes his comments to this leader with the following words:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;">“And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God” (John 3:19-21).</p>
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Don’t think these words are said in isolation. They are directly linked to the opening of the passage which tells of Nicodemus coming to Jesus at night. Jesus was telling Nicodemus that he loved the darkness rather than the light. We far too glibly apply these verses to burglars and robbers who work at night. But Jesus did not aim them at sinners; He directed them at a religious man who recognized who Jesus was but preferred to remain incognito!</p>
<p>Friend, if you recognize that your church or denomination is moving in the wrong direction and have created (or have begun to create) their own religion of their own design which is not according to God’s Word – then you need to take a stand. If you remain silent because of “fear of the Jews,” then Jesus says that you are in darkness. If you are of the Truth, then you must come to the light, and you must let your light shine and you must speak up for the Truth.</p>
<p>Off course there will be repercussions. Yes, they will hate you, destroy your reputation, strip you of your position and cast you out as a piece of rubbish. Yes, you may lose all your friends, maybe even your salary, health and self-respect. But did they not do the same to Jesus and to all the men of God in the entire Bible? And did Jesus Himself not say:</p>
<p>“Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness&#8217; sake, For theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you. You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt loses its flavor, how shall it be seasoned? It is then good for nothing but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by men. You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden. Nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house.” (Matthew 5:10-15).</p>
<p>Note again that we are to be salt and light, not just in the world, but especially, in the church. Note also the connection between being light and persecution.</p>
<p>You can hide for a while, but the time will come when you will need to take a stand. Nicodemus and Joseph were “under cover” for a few years but the time came when they had to nail their colors to the mast. It was Joseph who had to brave Pilate’s wrath and ask for the broken body of Jesus. It was Joseph and Nicodemus who buried Jesus in Joseph’s tomb. But in a sense it was too late. Jesus was dead. Many modern Nicodemuses wake up when it is too late, when the Truth has been killed and all that remains is to bury the remains of the Truth.</p>
<p>Praise God, the Truth rose again and can never be destroyed. But don’t wait until it is too late before taking your stand boldly beside the Son of God. Moses also hid under his Egyptian clothes but the day came when</p>
<p>“choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures of sin, esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt; for he looked to the reward. By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king; for he endured as seeing Him who is invisible.” (Hebrews 11:25-27).</p>
<p>It was this Moses who, when all of Israel had turned to idols, cried “Who is on the LORD&#8217;S side?” (Exodus 32:26). Again, the consequences of the sons of Levi responding to that call were not pretty, but God honored their stand and He will honor your courage. But you must choose and you must do so today.</p>
<p>The Truth:</p>
<p>&#8220;<em><strong>And Zedekiah the king said unto Jeremiah, I am afraid of the Jews that are fallen to the Chaldeans, lest they deliver me into their hand, and they mock me. But Jeremiah said, They shall not deliver thee. Obey, I beseech thee, the voice of the LORD, which I speak unto thee: so it shall be well unto thee, and thy soul shall live.&#8221;</strong></em> (Jeremiah 38:19)</span></p>
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		<title>How the Rev. John Hagee got religion (the Catholic kind)?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[from The Dallas News: Here&#8217;s the backstory on how the Rev. John Hagee got religion (the Catholic kind). When the San Antonio televangelist burst onto the national political scene in February with his endorsement of John McCain, it wasn&#8217;t pretty. Instantly, the Internet was filled with snippets from sermons and provocative YouTube clips of the [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=1022&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>Here&#8217;s the backstory on how the Rev. John Hagee got religion (the Catholic kind).</p>
<p>When the San Antonio televangelist burst onto the national political scene in February with his endorsement of John McCain, it wasn&#8217;t pretty.</p>
<p>Instantly, the Internet was filled with snippets from sermons and provocative YouTube clips of the portly pastor calling the Catholic church &#8220;the great whore&#8221; of Revelations and suggesting the Vatican was complicit in the Holocaust.</p>
<p>Catholics, particularly Bill Donohue of the Catholic League, howled in protest. Publicly, Mr. McCain scrambled to distance himself from the pastor, whose endorsement was aimed at winning evangelicals.</p>
<p>Behind the scenes, there&#8217;s been a campaign to repair the damage.</p>
<p>Key to the effort was Deal Hudson, a former Southern Baptist turned Catholic from Fort Worth who in 2000 was tapped by political guru Karl Rove to help win Catholics for George W. Bush. This year, Mr. Hudson is on Mr. McCain&#8217;s Catholic outreach team.</p>
<p>Faith-based voters are a staple in the GOP base. And the Rev. Hagee, who broadcasts worldwide from a 19,000-member megachurch with a flotilla of satellite dishes, is an influential figure in among evangelicals.</p>
<p>Mr. McCain had been wooing the San Antonio pastor for more than a year. And when Rev. Hagee finally agreed to endosre him in the breezeway of a San Antonio hotel last February, the media asked about the pastor&#8217;s end-times theology. But nothing about Catholics.</p>
<p>At Catholic League headquarters in New York, Bill Donahue was instantly on the case, denouncing the Rev. Hagee as an anti-Catholic bigot. He was everywhere: CBS, CNN, MSNBC, FoxNews.</p>
<p>The McCain camp now had a pastor problem, like Barack Obama.</p>
<p>Enter Mr. Hudson and the Hagee Catholic Rehabilition Tour.</p>
<p>Over lunch in Washington a few weeks ago, a contrite Rev. Hagee told Mr. Hudson his remarks had been misconstrued. He explained his &#8220;the great whore&#8221; quote was really about the apostate church, Catholic and Protestant and said some of his best friends were former Catholics – his wife and many Hispanic members of his congregation.</p>
<p>Clearly, there was work to be done. For one thing, you don&#8217;t build bridges with Catholics by touting how many people have left the church.</p>
<p>More to the point, the Rev. Hagee&#8217;s views had been informed by, among other things, the book &#8220;Hitler&#8217;s Pope.&#8221; Mr. Hudson offered a countervailing view of history, emphasizing how so many in the church had opposed the Nazis.</p>
<p>Last Friday, the Rev. Hagee sat down with 13 Catholic leaders in Washington. Mr. Hudson called it &#8220;upbeat and positive.&#8221;</p>
<p>As for Mr. Donahue, he said he wouldn&#8217;t meet with the Rev. Hagee until he got a public letter of apology. On Monday, he got it.</p>
<p>A meeting between Mr. Hagee and Mr. Donohue was arranged for Thursday at the Catholic League office in New York. Mr. Hudson recalled the scene.</p>
<p>&#8220;I hear a Southern accent,&#8221; declared Mr. Donohue with a Boston Irish ring. &#8220;It must be Pastor Hagee.&#8221;</p>
<p>The two got along fine, Mr. Hudson said.</p>
<p>Mr. Donohue showed the pastor and his wife the window where, from the 34th floor, he&#8217;d watched the Twin Towers fall on 9/11. He expressed shared support for Israel against Islamic extremists and said it&#8217;s important, politically, that conservative Catholics and evangelicals work together.</p>
<p>&#8220;That is the liberals&#8217; worst nightmare,&#8221; Mr. Donohue said.</p>
<p>In the fall, when the controversy over Obama pastor Jeremiah Wright likely bubbles up again, Democrats will point to the Rev. Hagee. This time, they won&#8217;t have the conservative Catholics to count on.</p>
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		<title>Hagee meets with Catholics, apologizes for remarks</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[No Surprise here! from Bretibart: John Hagee, an influential Texas televangelist who endorsed John McCain, apologized to Catholics Tuesday for his stinging criticism of the Roman Catholic Church and for having &#8220;emphasized the darkest chapters in the history of Catholic and Protestant relations with the Jews.&#8221; Hagee&#8217;s support for McCain has drawn cries of outrage [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=1013&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>No Surprise here!</strong></p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D90KV46O0&amp;show_article=1" target="_blank">from Bretibart:</a></strong></p>
<p>John Hagee, an influential Texas televangelist who endorsed John McCain, apologized to Catholics Tuesday for his stinging criticism of the Roman Catholic Church and for having &#8220;emphasized the darkest chapters in the history of Catholic and Protestant relations with the Jews.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hagee&#8217;s support for McCain has drawn cries of outrage from some Catholic leaders who have called on McCain to reject Hagee&#8217;s endorsement. The likely Republican nominee has said he does not agree with some of Hagee&#8217;s past comments, but did not reject his support.</p>
<p>In a letter to William Donohue, president of the Catholic League for Civil and Religious Rights, Hagee wrote: &#8220;Out of a desire to advance a greater unity among Catholics and evangelicals in promoting the common good, I want to express my deep regret for any comments that Catholics have found hurtful.&#8221;</p>
<p>Donohue, one of Hagee&#8217;s sharpest critics, said he accepted the apology and planned to meet with Hagee Thursday in New York.</p>
<p>&#8220;I got what I wanted,&#8221; Donohue said in an interview. &#8220;He&#8217;s seen the light, as they like to say. So for me it&#8217;s over.&#8221;</p>
<p>The controversy had threatened to pursue McCain throughout the campaign, potentially hurting his standing with Catholic voters. A majority of Roman Catholics voted for President Bush in the past two presidential elections, critical votes in close elections.</p>
<p>The letter came after Hagee met Friday for lunch in a French restaurant in downtown Washington with 22 influential religious activists, virtually all of them Catholics.</p>
<p>Hagee has cited the Inquisition and the Crusades as evidence of anti- Semitism within the Catholic church and has suggested that Catholic anti-Semitism shaped Adolf Hitler&#8217;s views of Jews.</p>
<p>&#8220;In my zeal to oppose anti-Semitism and bigotry in all its ugly forms, I have often emphasized the darkest chapters in the history of Catholics and Protestant relations with the Jews,&#8221; Hagee wrote. &#8220;In the process, I may have contributed to the mistaken impression that the anti-Jewish violence of the Crusades and the Inquisition defines the Catholic Church. It most certainly does not.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hagee has often made references to &#8220;the apostate church&#8221; and the &#8220;great whore,&#8221; terms that Catholics say are slurs aimed at the Roman Catholic Church. In his letter, Hagee said he now better understood that the Book of Revelation&#8217;s reference to the Catholic Church as &#8220;the apostate church&#8221; and the &#8220;great whore&#8221; are &#8220;a rhetorical device long employed in anti-Catholic literature and commentary.&#8221;</p>
<p>He stressed that in his use, &#8220;neither of these phrases can be synonymous with the Catholic Church.&#8221;</p>
<p>The remarkable 2 1/2-page letter was no doubt inspired by the political storm Hagee&#8217;s endorsement caused. Hagee leads a San Antonio, Texas, megachurch with a congregation in the tens of thousands. He has an even wider television audience.</p>
<p>When he endorsed McCain in late February, Donohue and other Catholic leaders demanded that McCain repudiate him. The Democratic National Committee also weighed in, highlighting Hagee&#8217;s remarks over the years. Some commentators even likened Hagee&#8217;s affect on McCain to the controversy Democrat Barack Obama faced as a result of the views expressed by his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.</p>
<p>McCain initially embraced the endorsement, eager to reach out to religious voters by securing the support of a prominent Christian conservative. But he was soon forced to put some distance with Hagee.</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s simply not accurate to say that because someone endorses me that I therefore embrace their views,&#8221; McCain told reporters at a March news conference in Phoenix. Then in April, appearing on ABC&#8217;s &#8220;This Week,&#8221; McCain said: &#8220;Any comments that he made about the Catholic Church I strongly condemn, of course.&#8221;</p>
<p>During the early primaries, McCain won strong support from Catholic voters. But Hagee threatened to become an issue heading into the general election.</p>
<p>Donohue said Hagee, by offering his apology now, may have defused a potential problem from the Arizona senator.</p>
<p>&#8220;Had this happened after Labor Day I think it would have been an insurmountable problem for McCain to reach out to Catholics,&#8221; Donohue said. &#8220;Now, with this behind him, I think the raised eyebrows in the Catholic community will begin to normalize.&#8221;</p>
<p>In a statement posted in the Catholic League&#8217;s Web site, Donohue added: &#8220;What Hagee has done takes courage and quite frankly I never expected him to demonstrate such sensitivity to our concerns.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>John Hagee &#8220;trashes&#8221; Fundamentalism and states that he is not a Fundamentalist</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[John Hagee shows once again in this speech as a guest at Stephen S. Wise, a Reform Temple in West Los Angeles why he is a true pandering publicity seeking Wolf or at least a very Theologically ignorant man! And why people need to flee from him! He has joined the likes of Rick Warren by [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=1003&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Hagee shows once again in <strong><a href="http://www.jewsonfirst.org/08a/hagee_wise.html" target="_blank">this speech</a></strong> as a guest at Stephen S. Wise, a Reform Temple in West Los Angeles why he is a true pandering publicity seeking Wolf or at least a very Theologically ignorant man! And why people need to flee from him! He has joined the likes of Rick Warren by negatively characterizing fundamentalism to a non-Christian audience and then making it clear that he is not a Fundamentalist!:</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;He said that he is not fundamentalist, because he does not wish to be identified with the sort of people who handle snakes. (<span style="color:#ff0000;">This was not the only time when Reverend Hagee appeared to cater to a prejudice that he expected his audience to share. At one point, he invited the mixed audience of Jews and evangelicals to commiserate with the difficulties of winning Texas “rednecks” to the task of combating anti-Semitism</span>; he also described a rushed, hurried prayer as being like that of “a Presbyterian late for lunch.”)&#8221; </strong></p>
<p>He then goes off the theological cliff by saying that as Christians we are NOT always obliged to Forgive!:</p>
<p><strong>Then the tone of the conversation changed abruptly. Rabbi Woznica asked the Revered if we are always obliged “to forgive.” <span style="color:#ff0000;">Hagee said that we are only obliged to forgive in response to a promise of changed behavior, because to forgive without a promise of different conduct is to “make the grace of God an accomplice to evil.”</span> The Reverend went on to remind us of the story of Jesus and the adulterous woman—Jesus, whom Hagee described as a “Reform Rabbi” (!) rescued from the crowd “of Pharisees” about to stone her and told her to “go and sin no more.” The point being that the woman was forgiven, but not without conditions. </strong></p>
<p>And further to say that Jesus was a Rabbi!</p>
<p><strong>The recitation of this story in service of the Reverend Hagee’s theology of forgiveness crystallized what was intriguing and exasperating about the whole evening. As Rabbi Woznica remarked, this may have been the first time that any of the Jews in the audience had heard a Christian suggest that gratuitous forgiveness is not the absolute obligation of every victim—and certainly the first time that we had heard a conservative Christian acknowledge Jesus as a rabbi, much less a Reform one. </strong></p>
<p><strong>You can read the full article and interview <a href="http://www.jewsonfirst.org/08a/hagee_wise.html" target="_blank">here</a>. </strong></p>
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		<title>John Hagee revels in his &#8220;high seat&#8221; and blindly praises the Pope!</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess I should not be surprised by this latest offering by Mr. Hagee. After all he has shown himself time after time of being more of a political animal than anything that could be considered a Follower of Christ. This bombastic mess revels in the limelight! He loves the high seat! He thrives off [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=966&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I should not be surprised by this latest offering by Mr. Hagee. After all he has shown himself time after time of being more of a political animal than anything that could be considered a Follower of Christ.</p>
<p>This bombastic mess revels in the limelight! He loves the high seat! He thrives off of having public influence within the American &#8220;conservative&#8221; political movement!</p>
<p>But for the doubters, here this, these men, these little men only write articles like this to influence others, those who blindly follow their &#8220;Political Christianity&#8221;! They do not write these article simply to express a personal opinion.</p>
<p>What an abomination that John Hagee would publicly praise the Pope! the leader of an Anti-Christ organization! The &#8220;Vicar&#8221; of Christ, the one who arrogantly claims to stands in the place of Christ! and ironically one who considers Mr. Hagee himself &#8220;outside the faithfull of the Church&#8221;</p>
<p>That Mr. Hagee would publicly grovel, praise and flatter such a man is despicable!</p>
<p>As I have said before, you will see more of this as the pressure and persecution of the Christian Faith increases. Those who have high seats, who have influence will do anything in order to not lose that influence! and they will do it in the guise of &#8220;preserving American Values&#8221; Its called &#8220;The White Horse Deception&#8221;.</p>
<p>Our model in how we treat men such as John Hagee should be Christ himself, when in Mark 8:15 he said:</p>
<p><em><strong>Then He charged them, saying, “Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the leaven of <span style="text-decoration:underline;"><span style="color:#ff0000;">Herod</span>.”</span> </strong></em></p>
<p>John Hagee and the Pope are types of &#8220;Herod&#8217;s&#8221; they appear to be Christian, but they are not, they mix some truth in with a great deal of leaven! you can read <strong><a href="http://www.sundayschoollessons.com/herod.htm" target="_blank">here</a></strong> about the Herodian Dynasty and see if you can see the parallels between Herod and John Hagee and the Pope!</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20080428/EDITORIAL/855698663/1013" target="_blank">from The Washington Times:</a></strong></p>
<p><strong>Thank you, Pope Bendict</strong></p>
<p>During his recent visit to the United States, Pope Benedict XVI not only conducted mass and met with the Catholic faithful, but he made a series of public statements about the role that our Judeo-Christian faith can play during these challenging times. As an evangelical Protestant I happen to disagree with Pope Benedict on many issues of Christian doctrine and ritual. But when it comes to his moral vision for America and the world I have one thing to say in response to the Pope&#8217;s visit: Amen.</p>
<p>I and many other evangelical leaders believe that our faith must not be confined to our churches on Sunday mornings. We maintain that our Christian values and compassion can be powerful tools for helping build a more just and humane nation. Pope Benedict thus spoke for all of us when he said that &#8220;Any tendency to treat religion as a private matter must be resisted&#8221; and called for Christian participation &#8220;in the exchange of ideas in the public square.&#8221;</p>
<p>The pope was recalling the history we all cherish when he cited George Washington&#8217;s Farewell Address to note that, &#8220;religion and morality represent &#8216;indispensable supports&#8217; of political prosperity.&#8221; The pope likewise voiced all of our concerns when he recognized the threats posed by secularism and materialism not only to our morality but to our happiness.</p>
<p>As people of faith, our concerns go well beyond the borders of our country. After the horrors of the Nazi Holocaust, we joined our Jewish brothers in saying &#8220;Never Again!&#8221; For me, this commitment means never again allowing the Jewish people to be massacred or persecuted and thus helps to motivate my strong support for the State of Israel. But we also take from the Holocaust a universal &#8220;Never Again,&#8221; which means that we must never again allow genocide to be perpetrated against any of God&#8217;s children anywhere in the world.</p>
<p>Thus all of our hearts cheered when Pope Benedict stood before the United Nations and stated so forcefully that when states fail to protect the basic human rights of their citizens, &#8220;the international community must intervene.&#8221; Likewise, all people of faith applauded his comment in the same speech that it is religion&#8217;s &#8220;recognition of the transcendent value of every man and woman&#8221; which provides the powerful source of our commitment to resist genocide and terrorism.</p>
<p>My reaction to Pope Benedict&#8221;s visit may surprise some who have come to accept certain caricatures of my views of the Catholic Church. But as I have noted from the start, my critics have ignored the real point and strong emphasis of my words. I have indeed been quite zealous about condemning the past anti-Semitism of the Catholic Church. But I have been equally zealous in condemning Protestant anti-Semitism. Furthermore, as I noted in my 2006 book &#8220;Jerusalem Countdown,&#8221; I have long viewed Pope John Paul II and now Pope Benedict XVI as partners in this &#8220;righteous work&#8221; of overcoming our shared legacy of Christian anti-Semitism.</p>
<p>For decades I have taught that we Christians need to recognize that our roots are Jewish. As Christians we can only understand ourselves if we understand the Judaism from which we sprang. Pope Benedict made this very important point when he visited the Park East Synagogue in New York and shared that: &#8220;I find it moving to recall that Jesus, as a young boy, heard the words of Scripture and prayed in a place such as this.&#8221; With visits and words such as these, Pope Benedict is continuing the important work of recognizing our enormous Christian debt of gratitude to the Jewish people.</p>
<p>The world in which we live faces many difficult challenges. In recent days, we read in our paper of increased starvation due to higher food prices; of alienated youth planning to bomb their fellow students; of Islamic militants actually bombing innocents in Iraq and Israel; and about people so devoid of hope that they end their own lives.</p>
<p>I believe that the message of the Bible and of Judeo-Christian faith offers us timely answers to these problems. We were all inspired by Pope Benedict&#8217;s visit. It is my prayer that we will now follow his example and look beyond our differences to see that when it comes to the great challenges of our times, people of faith have much in common.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things that are clear about this article, one that John Hagee is now saying that the Roman Catholic Faith is not a false Belief system, nor is it an Anti-Christ belief system. And the other we already knew, he is a media savvy apostate who see&#8217;s no problem with speaking out of a different side of his mouth depending upon the audience!</p>
<p>It is sad that there is a growing chorus within Protestant circles that wants to welcome the apostate and Idolotrous Roman Catholic Church back with open arms as a valid form of Christianity, even though they have not, post reformation, changed or repented of one bit of their false anti-Christ Theology, but instead have become more intrenched in it and continue to extend it!</p>
<p>When you begin to feel the pressure of persecution for being a Christian, what do you do? It seems many wish to reduce that persecution by gaining the acceptance of as many apostate groups as they can! Persecution? Christians havent seen persecution YET!  What will happen when the real persecution begins.</p>
<p>The word &#8220;testimony&#8221; in the Greek comes from the same root word we interpret into English as MARTYR.  Likewise, it is the same word (i.e., &#8220;martyr&#8221;) that we interpret the word &#8220;witness&#8221; (e.g., &#8220;ye are My witnesses&#8221; and &#8220;faithful and true witness&#8221; or &#8220;My faithful witness (i.e., &#8220;martyr,&#8221;) &#8220;).  </p>
<p>Merriam Webster Defintion of Martyr:  <em><a target="_blank" href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/martyr">&#8220;1. a person who voluntarily suffers death as the penalty of witnessing to and refusing to renounce a religion&#8221; &#8220;2. a person who sacrifices something of great value and especially life itself for the sake of principle&#8221;</a></em></p>
<p>Revelations 12:11:</p>
<p><em>And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.</em></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial Unicode MS;">&#8220;The entire thrust of the Book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ&#8211;virtually in every single chapter of that book&#8211;speaks of the TRIUMPHANT TESTIMONY of God&#8217;s people&#8211;both the Church and Israel&#8211;to come forward throughout our history and most definitely at the close of this age.  <strong><u>Since the &#8220;Testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy&#8221; &#8211; Rev. 19:10) &#8211; it is altogether clear that such a &#8220;<em>testimony</em>&#8221; is NOT done in a closet or off in some wilderness, but is straightforward&#8211;it must be SPOKEN, TESTIFIED TO, WITNESSED TO, PROPHESIZED ABOUT to every tongue, nation, tribe and people.&#8221;</u></strong>  </span></p>
<p>So you do not really have a Testimony unless you are willing to hold to Biblical Truth unto death, and when you hold it you do not hold it in hiding, you must be in the world defending that truth no matter what persecution you face!</p>
<p>John Hagee does not have a Testimony because he is not willing to hold to Biblical Truth unto death, but instead like the rest of what he calls &#8220;The Major Leagues&#8221; of Evangelists is willing to modify his beliefs and words to avoid public persecution! to him its not about holding to Biblical Truth! Its about how great a &#8220;communicator&#8221; you are. As if you are a greater communicator of fallen human wisdom, your audience and following will increase.</p>
<p>However that ideology is diametrically opposed to God&#8217;s Word and how we are to live as Christians:</p>
<p>1 Corinthians 1:17-31:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect. </em></p>
<h5><em>Christ the Power and Wisdom of God</em></h5>
<p><em>For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: </p>
<p>      “ I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,<br />
      And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”</p>
<p>Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.</em></p>
<p><em>For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, that no flesh should glory in His presence. But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption— that, as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the LORD.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>1 Corinthians 2:1-16:</p>
<p>&#8220;<em>And I, brethren, when I came to you, did not come with excellence of speech or of wisdom declaring to you the testimony of God.  For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.  I was with you in weakness, in fear, and in much trembling.  And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God. </em></p>
<h5><em>Spiritual Wisdom</em></h5>
<p><em>However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.  But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,  which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.<br />
But as it is written:</p>
<p>      “ Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,<br />
      Nor have entered into the heart of man<br />
      The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”</em></p>
<p><em>But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.  Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.</em></p>
<p><em>These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.  But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. For “who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><b><a target="_blank" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/23/magazine/23wwln-q4-t.html?ref=television">From The New York times:</a></b></p>
<p><b>As a prominent evangelical pastor based in San Antonio, you were recently catapulted into national controversy when you endorsed Senator<br />
John McCain for president. Is it true that McCain actively sought your endorsement?</b> It’s true that McCain’s campaign sought my endorsement.</p>
<p><b>How did you feel when critics called you a Catholic-basher and said McCain should reject your endorsement?</b> <font color="#ff0000"><strong>My statements regarding the Catholic Church have been grossly mischaracterized. I never called the Catholic Church “the anti-Christ” or a “false cult system.” I was referring to those Christians who ignore the Gospels. </strong></font></p>
<p><b>What about your observation in a recent book that “most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking<br />
Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews”?</b> <font color="#ff0000"><strong>What I was trying to express was the fact that Christian anti-Semitism — both Catholic and Protestant — contributed to an environment in which Nazi racial anti-Semitism could flourish. </strong></font></p>
<p><b>But why bring all of that up now?</b> ’Cause most of the world don’t know it. Christians don’t know it at all.</p>
<p><b>Two years ago, you founded Christians United for Israel , an influential lobbying group that has won accolades from many Jewish leaders.</b> I’m trying to do something beneficial for the state of Israel and the Jewish people. It’s the right thing to do. If you take the Jewish contribution away from Christianity, there would be no Christianity.</p>
<p><b>That’s a touching sentiment, but some are concerned that the Zionism of American evangelicals stems from self-interest. Isn’t your involvement in Israel based on a desire to speed the second coming of Jesus?</b> Our support of Israel has nothing to do with any kind of “end times” Bible scenario.</p>
<p><b>You’re not just sitting around waiting for the Rapture?</b> No. My support of Israel is based on a recognition of the enormous debt we gentiles owe to the Jews. I have given millions of dollars to build hospitals and orphanages in Israel and to bring 25,000 Russian immigrants to Israel, because every Jewish person who comes to Israel makes it a stronger nation.</p>
<p><b>You’re often described as the pastor of a megachurch.</b> Yes.</p>
<p><b>What makes it a megachurch instead of just a big church?</b> I think they call you a megachurch when you go over 5,000. I have over 19,000 active members at Cornerstone Church in San Antonio.</p>
<p><b>You are also the president of Global Evangelism Television, which broadcasts your Sunday sermons around the country.</b> I am on five days a week. My show can be seen throughout the world on several networks, including God TV, TBN and Daystar.</p>
<p><b>What do you make of<br />
Barack Obama’s oratorical skills?</b> <font color="#ff0000"><strong>He is going to be difficult to beat, because the man is a master of communication. If he were in the ministry, he would make it in the major leagues overnight. </strong></font></p>
<p><b>Let’s talk about your much-quoted comment that Hurricane Katrina was God’s punishment for a gay rights parade in New Orleans .</b> <font color="#ff0000"><strong>We’re not going down there. That’s so far off-base it would take us 33 pages to go through that, and it’s not worth going through. </strong></font></p>
<p><b>I am not eager to rehash it either, although I wish that evangelicals were not so hard on gays.</b> Our church is not hard against the gay people. Our church teaches what the Bible teaches, that it is not a righteous lifestyle. But of course we must love even sinners.</p>
<p><b>Do you have any gay friends?</b> I don’t want to say that I have any friends, because when you say, “Who are they?” I don’t want them jumping off the balcony.</p>
<p><b>Do you have an Easter prayer to share with us?</b> May the joy of Easter fill your heart and home.</p>
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<p>When I first got into the ministry, I served a two-point charge. One church was in a town of 250 people and the other church was out in the country surrounded by farmland. The country church was built back in the late 1800&#8242;s. It was a beautiful old white building with its own cemetery in the back yard. On the inside, it was all wooden floors and of course wooden pews. The acoustics were perfect as you did not even need a microphone to be heard. They had one of those real large Bible&#8217;s dated from the late 1880&#8242;s and when the church closed down, they gave it to me to keep! It was an older congregation with an average age of about 75 years. It only had a handful of people attending there since all of the farms were owned by one family.</p>
<p>Anyway, right across the road from the church was a mega-hog farm. I believe they had over 6000 hogs there. The man who put it in was a member of this church. His name was John. I decided one day to go visit him.</p>
<p>As I cut across the field, I noticed one of the pigs had a wooden leg. He looked friendly enough, but I had to wonder about that wooden leg.<br />
I met John up at his front porch and said,<br />
<span style="color:#cc0000;">&#8220;Hey John, what&#8217;s the deal with the pig with the wooden leg?&#8221;<br />
<span style="color:#000066;">&#8220;Oh, that&#8217;s a very special pig, let me tell you about him.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;A couple of weeks ago, I was out plowing my field and my tractor over turned on top of me. I was pinned underneath and couldn&#8217;t get out. I screamed and hollered and no one heard me. Except for that there pig. He came up to me and saw I was in trouble and ran back to the house a squealing as loud as he could till my wife looked out the door and saw me in trouble. That there pig saved my life!&#8221;<br />
<span style="color:#cc0000;">&#8220;Wow, John, that is truly amazing! Did the pig hurt himself running back to the house? Is that how he got that wooden leg?&#8221;<br />
<span style="color:#000066;">&#8220;oh no, that&#8217;s not it. It was just a week later, I was down by the pond doing some fishing and I fell in. I can&#8217;t swim a lick. I was flapping my arms and yelling and screaming and no one heard me. Except for that there pig. He came a running up to the pond and did a swan dive, actually it was a piggy dive, and he paddled and paddled until he got to me. He used his teeth to grab by collar and he pulled me safely to the edge of the land. He saved my life!&#8221;<br />
<span style="color:#cc0000;">&#8220;Wow, John, that pig is awesome! So did he hurt his leg diving into the pond? Is that how he got the wooden leg?&#8221;<br />
<span style="color:#000066;">&#8220;oh no, that&#8217;s not it. Just two days ago, my wife and I were asleep upstairs when all of a sudden without warning, that pig comes a running up the steps. He breaks our door down and grabs me by my pant leg. He wanted me to follow him. I did. I looked out the door to see that our barn was on fire. So me and the pig ran out to the barn to save the animals out there. I chased the chickens out and the pig jumped up onto the horse and rode him out. We were able to save every animal in there. That pig saved their life and possibly our lives as well.&#8221;<br />
<span style="color:#cc0000;">&#8220;I am flabbergasted John. I don&#8217;t know what to say. Did the pig hurt himself jumping down from the horse. Is that how he got the wooden leg?&#8221;<br />
<span style="color:#000066;">oh no, that&#8217;s not it.&#8221;<br />
<span style="color:#cc0000;">&#8220;well John, how did the pig get the wooden leg?<br />
<span style="color:#000066;">&#8220;Oh a pig like that you don&#8217;t want to eat all at once!&#8221;</span><br />
</span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="color:#000000;">There you have it. That was the type of joke I would start off every sermon with. I always either had people laughing through most of the sermon or just sighing because the joke was like this one! I had to make them smile. I wanted them to feel good when they came to church and I wanted them to want to come back next week! My sermons had no substance whatsoever! People could remember my jokes but could never remember my sermons and never remember what Scripture was read out of the Bible.</p>
<p>Now, there actually was a mega-hog farm right across the street from the church. And when the south winds would blow, the aroma was not too pleasant! In fact, it downright stunk! You literally had to hold your breath because it smelled so bad. If you have ever driven through farm land in the Midwest of the United States, you know what I am talking about, only magnify it by about 100!</p>
<p>One thing for sure, when I was preaching the feel good messages, and the &#8220;God loves you&#8221; messages, no one hated me. <strong>But now that I preach God&#8217;s Law and the need to repent of sins <span style="color:#ff0000;">along with</span> the wonderful grace and mercy of God</strong>, I have been called a Pharisee, a non-Christian filled with hate. I have been called judgmental, I have been called many things. Have you ever noticed how Satan gets mad at those who follow Christ? But here is something I do know&#8230;</p>
<p>2 Corinthians 2:16-17<br />
<span style="color:#cc0000;">&#8220;To those who are perishing we are a fearful smell of death and doom. But to those who are being saved we are a life-giving perfume. And who is adequate for such a task as this? You see, we are not like those hucksters &#8212; and there are many of them &#8212; who preach just to make money.&#8221;</p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">The Law of God is a killer in the sense that it brings knowledge of sin. It acts as a ministry of death because no one can satisfy the demands of the law on his own and is therefore condemned.</p>
<p>You see, the gospel message brings eternal life and ultimate glorification to some, and to others, it is a stumbling stone of offense that brings eternal death!</p>
<p>v.15 says, <span style="color:#cc0000;">For we are to God the fragrance of Christ among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing.</p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">So, I preach God&#8217;s Word. Regardless of what I am called, I will faithfully share the whole gospel message. Yes, Jesus died for our sins. But in the grand scheme of things, what does that mean to an unbeliever?</p>
<p>Why did he have to do it? It is nice to say &#8220;God loves you.&#8221; But it is so powerful when you can give an illustration of the kind of love that was needed to be displayed for all humanity.</p>
<p>Because of our wretchedness, we are deserving of hell. Because even the slightest sin, is punishable by death and judgment. God does not want any of His to perish, so He had to provide a way for us to go to heaven and still dish out His Holy Justice on humanity. It was through His Son that the fine was paid.</p>
<p>Jesus was 100% God and also 100% man! He was spit on, laughed at and mocked. He was abused and tortured and finally crucified. His death was bloody and lonely as the world did not receive Him. Every time I lie, I can see myself being responsible for another hit from the hammer onto the nail. Every time I look with lust, I can hear the sound of the hammer hitting the nail. It is more than I can bear. I repent of my sins, because my Jesus died for me and I know that without repentance, I will perish. I have put my trust and faith completely in Him. I acknowledge that I am a sinner in need of His forgiveness and I know I will not receive it unless I repent. So, I spend my days telling people to repent of their sins.</p>
<p>I know it will cause others to hate me. I count the cost every day!<br />
I know it will cause others to mock me. I count it as joy to be persecuted for Christ&#8217;s sake!<br />
I know it will cause others to gossip about me. I do not care.</p>
<p>My only goal is to spread the Good News to the lost world. When I see someone living a lifestyle inconsistent with being a Christian, I will tell that person about the need to repent. Giving up our old way of living is hard to do. But we have to realize, we are either going to serve God with ALL of our heart, mind, soul and strength &#8212; or not serve Him at all! You cannot serve two masters!</p>
<p>If someone has pointed out your sins and you still reject the idea of repenting of your sins, then I am sure the aroma you smell is one of stench as it is leading to death.<br />
But, if you have been told about the Law of God and now realize the need to repent, you have just smelled the aroma of a new life in Christ and it leads to eternal life. And the smell of life is a sweet aroma!</p>
<p>Yes, God loves you. He proved it on the cross 2000 years ago! When will &#8220;YOU&#8221; die to self and start living for Him? Until you are obedient to God, don&#8217;t bother saying you love Him.<br />
John 14:15 says,<br />
</span></span></span></span></span></span></span>If ye love me, keep my commandments.</p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">When you love God, you are obedient to His Word.<br />
And what do we know about the Word?<br />
In the beginning was the Word and the word was with God and the Word was God&#8230;and the Word became flesh!</p>
<p>A BBQ sure does smell nice.<br />
A mega-hog farm does not!</p>
<p>Which do you choose.<br />
2 Corinthians 2:14<br />
Now thanks be to God who always leads us in triumph in Christ, and through us manifests the fragrance of His knowledge in every place!</p>
<p>You can hate me and say I stink!<br />
God&#8217;s Word will cause an aroma to you&#8230;<br />
will it be a life-giving aroma, or a death and doom aroma?<br />
Will you repent of your sins?<br />
</span></span></p>
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		<title>In Defense of Israel, or In Defense of the Gospel?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[hat tip to PJ at Sola Dei Gloria: from Messianic Good News: In defense of the Gospel “Messianic Good News” was formed for the purpose of proclaiming and publishing the Good News that Jesus is the Messiah. There is no other good news or promise of blessing apart from that of being reconciled to God [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=548&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>hat tip to PJ at</strong> <strong><a target="_blank" href="http://pjmiller.wordpress.com/">Sola Dei Gloria:</a></strong></p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.givengain.com/cgi-bin/giga.cgi?cmd=cause_dir_news_item&amp;cause_id=1507&amp;news_id=30015&amp;cat_id=537"><strong>from Messianic Good News:</strong></a></p>
<h3>In defense of the Gospel</h3>
<p><strong>“Messianic Good News”</strong><span> was formed for the purpose of proclaiming and publishing the Good News that Jesus is the Messiah. There is no other good news or promise of blessing apart from that of being reconciled to God through faith in Him – for Jew and non-Jew alike. Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved (Acts 4:12). In view of certain teachings suggesting that there is another gospel for Israel which is yet to be fulfilled we felt it necessary to define exactly what the gospel is and to refute the false notion of another gospel that is being held out as the hope of Israel.</span><span> </span></p>
<p><span><strong>What is the gospel?</strong></span></p>
<p><span>Since gospel means good news, in order to fully appreciate the good news we need to first grasp the bad news of the collective condition of mankind. Following the disobedience of Adam and Eve mankind was driven from God’s presence, represented by the Garden of Eden, and subjected to the curse of death. But at the same time that the curse was pronounced over them the LORD gave them the promise of good news: the seed of the woman would crush the head of the deceiver (Genesis 3:15). The exile from Eden set mankind on a course through which they would experience the devastating consequences of sin and rebellion in the hope that they would seek the LORD and be reconciled to him in genuine faithfulness through the Messiah (see Romans 8:18-22). The Messiah/Redeemer was only destined to be born thousands of years later, but those who believed God were sustained by faith in the promise.</span></p>
<p><span>Abraham was such a man of faith, as Jesus testified: “Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad” (John 5:56). God called Abraham out from among the pagans to further his purpose of redemption through the descendants of Abraham, re-iterating again the good news of a future redemption with the promise that all nations would be blessed through his seed (i.e. the Messiah). Thus the nation of Israel was formed as the vehicle through which his redemptive purposes for mankind would be realised.</span></p>
<p><span>The Law of Moses was given to Israel as a measure to show how far man has fallen short of God’s perfect standard of holiness and as a means by which the people could draw near to God through the sacrifices of atonement. Everything in the Law – temple, sacrifices and priesthood – pointed ahead to the Messiah who would fulfil the Law in every aspect: The Messiah is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes (Romans 10:4).</span></p>
<p><span>Unfortunately the Rabbis failed to understand the goal and purpose of the Law, imagining that it was the means by which righteousness could be attained. But what emerges throughout Scripture is that what is needed is not a change from without, but a change within. Until we are transformed by the Holy Spirit, God’s perfect Law given through Moses testifies against us that we are sinful and rebellious by nature: “Take this Book of the Law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God. There it will remain as a witness against you. For I know how rebellious and stiff-necked you are (Deuteronomy 31:26). Moses knew that the people of Israel would fall into apostasy and be scattered among the nations. This is why Jesus said to those who pretended to be righteous according to the Law, “Do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set” (John 5:45).</span></p>
<p><span><strong>Read the complete article here:</strong> <a target="_blank" href="https://www.givengain.com/cgi-bin/giga.cgi?cmd=cause_dir_news_item&amp;cause_id=1507&amp;news_id=30015&amp;cat_id=537"><strong>In defence of the Gospel</strong></a></span></p>
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		<title>Dr. Michael Brown&#8217;s Paper on John Hagee&#8217;s &#8220;In Defense of Israel&#8221;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[From the Threshing Floor: By Dr. Michael L. Brown Pastor John Hagee’s new book, In Defense of Israel: The Bible’s Mandate for Supporting the Jewish State (Lake Mary, Florida: Front Line, 2007), was publicized by announcements stating that the book would “shake Christian theology.” The following positions are explicitly laid out in the book: The [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=490&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="margin-bottom:6pt;text-align:justify;" class="MsoNormal"><strong><a target="_blank" href="http://threshingfloor.onevoicemm.net/weblog/?p=945#more-945">From the Threshing Floor:</a></strong></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:6pt;text-align:justify;" class="MsoNormal">By Dr. Michael L. Brown</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:6pt;text-align:justify;" class="MsoNormal">Pastor John Hagee’s new book, In Defense of Israel: The Bible’s Mandate for Supporting the Jewish State (Lake Mary, Florida: Front Line, 2007), was publicized by announcements stating that the book would “shake Christian theology.” The following positions are explicitly laid out in the book:</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:6pt;text-align:justify;" class="MsoNormal">The Jewish people, as a whole, did not reject Jesus as Messiah.</p>
<p align="left">Jesus did not come to earth to be the Messiah.</p>
<p align="left">Jesus refused by word and deed to be the Messiah.</p>
<p align="left">The Jews cannot be blamed for not accepting what was never offered.</p>
<p>Statements like this must be evaluated in light of 1 John 2:22: “Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ [i.e., Messiah]. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son.” As commentator Stephen S. Smalley explained, “The true believer is the one who accepts the Christhood of Jesus, whereas those who deny his messianic identity declare themselves to be on the side of the antichrist” (Word Biblical Commentary).</p>
<p>What could possibly be the motivation for teaching such error? First, In Defense of Israel desires to dispel once and for all the notion that all Jews are Christ-killers, a terrible lie that has fueled anti-Semitism in the Church for more than 1,500 years. Second, the book wants to refute the false teaching of replacement theology, explaining that, “Replacement theologians have said that ‘the covenant with Israel was broken because she would not accept Jesus Christ whom God sent.’” (See p. 132 of In Defense of Israel.) Tragically, in the attempt to fight against these serious errors, a more serious error has now been introduced. Yet some believers – and even leaders! – are buying into this error hook, line, and sinker, and some have begun to teach and preach it as well.</p>
<p>Since the publication of the book, Pastor Hagee issued some clarifying remarks, but the clarifications only complicate the issues and fail to renounce and remove the error.</p>
<p>Here are three fundamental statements that all believers should be able to affirm without hesitation:</p>
<p>1) Jesus came to be the Messiah. This is the fundamental message of the New Testament, which is why we call him “Christ” (meaning, “Messiah”). And it is a fundamental message of the Scriptures that the Messiah had to suffer and die if he was one day to rule and reign (see, e.g., Luke 24:25-27, 44-47), a biblical truth that most of the Jewish people of Yeshua’s day missed, a biblical truth that most Jews through the ages have continued to miss, and a biblical truth that In Defense of Israel has now fed into as well.</p>
<p>In the clarifying statements that made since the publication of his book, it was explained that Jesus came to be the suffering Messiah but not the reigning Messiah – something, of course, that we all knew, and something that would hardly “shake Christian theology” – but these statements have simply introduced another nuance to the error, since nowhere in the New Testament is such a distinction made.</p>
<p>In other words, God did not say to Israel, “It’s fine that you rejected Jesus as Messiah because he did not come in the political way you expected. He had to die in order to be the Savior of the world, so you are not guilty.” There is not a hint of such a message in the Scriptures, which simply proclaim him as the Messiah, period.</p>
<p>That’s why Jesus explicitly identified himself as the Messiah in the Gospels (see, e.g., Matt 16:16-17; Mark 14:61-62; Luke 7:20-23; John 4:25-26; 5:39, 45-47; 10:24-25) – not as the suffering Messiah, whom his people were supposed to reject so that he could die, as opposed to the reigning Messiah, whom they would one day receive, but simply as the Messiah – and that’s why the Gospel authors frequently announced him as the Messiah (in Greek, the Christ; see, e.g., Luke 2:11, 26; John 1:41; 3:28; 11:27; 20:31). And that’s why the apostles proclaimed him as the Messiah in Acts (see, e.g., Acts 2:31, 36; 3:18, 20; 4:26; 5:42; 8:5; 9:22; 17:2-3; 18:5, 28; 26:23).</p>
<p>I would encourage you to look up every reference cited here. It is all quite simple, forthright, and easy to understand, and nowhere is any distinction made between the suffering and reigning Messiah. To repeat: Jesus is proclaimed as the Messiah of Israel, period, and because he is the Messiah of Israel, he is the Savior of the world.</p>
<p>2) The Jewish people rejected their Messiah. Although all Jews are not Christ-killers (God forbid!), and although the entire Jewish nation did not play a role in the crucifixion of Jesus, God held the Jewish people in Jesus’ day responsible for his death and, more significantly, he held them responsible for rejecting Jesus the Messiah after his resurrection. The New Testament witness is explicit and consistent on this.</p>
<p>That’s why the apostles preached to “the people of Israel” that they were guilty of rejecting the Messiah (Acts 2:22-23, 36; 3:13-15, 17, 19; 4:10-11; 5:30; 7:52; 13:27-28; see also John 1:12), and that’s why Paul spoke of Israel’s hardening, breaking off, stumbling, transgression, and rejection (see Rom 9:31; 10:3; 11:7, 11-12, 15, 20 – although with the full expectation of Israel’s future redemption; see Rom 11:11-15, 25-26). Again, I encourage you to take a moment to look up these passages. They are striking in their force and consistency.</p>
<p>Because of this rejection, severe judgment came on the Jewish people in the first century, as prophesied by Yeshua with tears (see Luke 19:41-44; see also Matt 23:29-37) and as taught in his parables (see, e.g., Matt 21:33-46; 22:1-14).</p>
<p>As painful as this witness is, it cannot be rewritten, nor can anyone lessen Israel’s guilt because it was God’s will that Jesus died on the cross. To the contrary, just as it was God’s will that Joseph be sold into Egyptian slavery and yet at the same time his brothers were guilty of sinning against him (Gen 44:16-45:5; 50:14-20), so also it was God’s will that Yeshua die for our sins while at the same time the Jewish people, along with Herod and Pilate and the Romans, were guilty of having him crucified (see Acts 2:22-24; 4:27-28).</p>
<p>It is scripturally impossible to claim that “the Jews cannot be blamed for not accepting what was never offered.” A glorious offer was made and refused, and that’s why Paul’s heart was broken (see Rom 9:1-5).</p>
<p>3) Jesus remains the Jewish Messiah, and there is no salvation for the Jewish people outside of faith in him. Although Pastor Hagee has consistently stated that he does not teach “dual covenant” theology, referring to the false concept that Jews can be saved outside of faith in Jesus, his new teaching certainly aids and abets that error. After all, if “The Jews Did Not Reject Jesus as Messiah” (as stated in bold print in his book), and if “Jesus refused by word and deed to be the Messiah” (be it the “reigning Messiah” or not), then, not only can it be said that “the Jews [in Jesus’ day] cannot be blamed for not accepting what was never offered” but that the Jews in any day cannot be blamed for not accepting Yeshua.</p>
<p>This again is a fundamental denial of the Word of God, and although In Defense of Israel claims that the “message of the gospel was from Israel, not to Israel,” Jesus, Peter, and Paul declared that the message of the gospel was to Israel first, and then from Israel to the nations (see Luke 24:47; Acts 1:8; 3:26; 13:32-39; Rom 1:16; in Paul’s words to the Jewish leaders in Rome, it was “for the sake of the hope of Israel” that he was bound in chains; Acts 28:20).</p>
<p>To be sure, there are a number of other errors found in the critical section of In Defense of Israel (including the myth that there was a so-called cup of the Messiah, the alleged fourth cup of the Passover meal that Yeshua supposedly refused to drink), but this is not the place to address those concerns, and to focus on the smaller problems would detract from the larger picture.</p>
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<p>In Him,</p>
<p>Michael L. Brown, Ph.D.</p>
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