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		<title>Nuclear Arms Race in the Middle East?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[from msnbc: Saudi Arabia would move quickly to acquire nuclear weapons if Iran successfully tests an atomic bomb, according to a report. Citing an unidentified Saudi Arabian source, the Times newspaper in the U.K. (which operates behind a pay wall) said that the kingdom would seek to buy ready-made warheads and also begin its own [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=7023&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>Saudi Arabia would move quickly to acquire nuclear weapons if Iran successfully tests an atomic bomb, according to a report. Citing an unidentified Saudi Arabian source, the Times newspaper in the U.K. (which operates behind a pay wall) said that the kingdom would seek to buy ready-made warheads and also begin its own program to enrich weapons-grade uranium.</p>
<p>The paper suggested that Pakistan was the country most likely to supply Saudi Arabia with weapons, saying Western officials were convinced there was an understanding between the countries to do so if the security situation in the Persian Gulf gets worse. Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have denied such an arrangement exists. Iran, which follows the Shiite branch of Islam, and Sunni Saudi Arabia are major regional rivals.</p>
<p>The Times described its source for the story as a &#8220;senior Saudi,&#8221; but gave no other details. &#8220;There is no intention currently to pursue a unilateral military nuclear program, but the dynamics will change immediately if the Iranians develop their own nuclear capability,&#8221; the source told the newspaper. &#8220;Politically, it would be completely unacceptable to have Iran with a nuclear capability and not the kingdom.&#8221;</p>
<p>It also cited an unnamed Western official as saying that Saudi Arabia would ask Pakistan to honor the alleged agreement &#8220;the next day&#8221; after any Iranian nuclear bomb test. The U.S. and other nations suspect that Iran is using its civilian nuclear work as a cover for a weapons program, but Iran insists that its nuclear ambitions are strictly peaceful. The U.S. has used sanctions and diplomacy to pressure Iran on the issue, but has long refused to rule out military action saying that all options are on the table. Israel is also believed to be contemplating a military strike on Iran&#8217;s nuclear facilities.</p>
<p>In a statement issued Friday by the Pakistan Embassy in Saudi Arabia, Ambassador Mohammed Naeem Khan was quoted as saying that &#8220;each Pakistani considers (the) security of Saudi Arabia as his personal matter.&#8221; Naeem also said that the Saudi leadership considered Pakistan and Saudi Arabia to be one country. In January this year, Saudi Arabia&#8217;s former ambassador to the U.S., Prince Turki al-Faisal, said in an interview with The Associated Press that unless a zone free of weapons of mass destruction was created in the Mideast there would &#8220;inevitably&#8221; be a nuclear arms race, and &#8220;that&#8217;s not going to be in the favor of anybody.&#8221;</p>
<p>He stressed that the Gulf states were committed not to acquire WMD. &#8220;But we&#8217;re not the only players in town. You have Turkey. You have Iraq which has a track record of wanting to go nuclear. You have Egypt. They had a very vibrant nuclear energy program from the 1960s. You have Syria. You have other players in the area that could open Pandora&#8217;s box,&#8221; the Saudi prince told The AP.</p>
<p>Asked whether Saudi Arabia would maintain its commitment against acquiring WMD, Turki said: &#8220;What I suggest for Saudi Arabia and for the other Gulf states &#8230; is that we must study carefully all the options, including the option of acquiring weapons of mass destruction. We can&#8217;t simply leave it for somebody else to decide for us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Turki is also a former Saudi intelligence chief and remains an influential member of the Saudi royal family. Turki said the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council should guarantee a nuclear security umbrella for Mideast countries that join a nuclear-free zone — and impose &#8220;military sanctions&#8221; against countries seen to be developing nuclear weapons.</p>
<p>&#8220;I think that&#8217;s a better way of going at this issue of nuclear enrichment of uranium, or preventing Iran from acquiring weapons of mass destruction,&#8221; he said in the AP interview. In October, the U.S. claimed that agents linked to Iran&#8217;s Qud&#8217;s Force, an elite wing of the Revolutionary Guard, were involved in a plot to kill Saudi Arabia&#8217;s ambassador to the U.S., Adel Al-Jubeir. Iran said the claims were &#8220;baseless.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8216;Meddling&#8217;</p>
<p>Turki said in November that there was &#8220;ample and heinous&#8221; evidence that Iran was behind the alleged plot. He added that the evidence &#8220;indicates the depths of depravity and unreason to which the (Mahmoud) Ahmadinejad regime has sunk.&#8221; Turki called the plot &#8220;the tip of the iceberg,&#8221; saying Iran was &#8220;meddling&#8221; in the affairs of many other countries, including Lebanon, Turkey, Pakistan and especially Iraq.</p>
<p>The Saudi government has also accused a terror cell linked to Iran of plotting to blow up its embassy in Bahrain, as well as the causeway linking the island kingdom to Saudi Arabia. In a secret diplomatic cable made public by WikiLeaks, Saudi King Abdullah allegedly urged Washington to strike at Iran and &#8220;cut off the head of the snake.&#8221; Turki dismissed the cable in November, telling reporters that Saudi Arabia supported sanctions and diplomatic pressure against Iran but not a military strike.</p>
<p>He said military action would only stiffen Iran&#8217;s resolve, rally support for the regime and at best delay, but not halt, the nuclear program. &#8220;Such an act I think would be foolish, and to undertake it I think would be tragic,&#8221; he said.</p>
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		<title>BREACHED! The Symptoms of Seduction by Spirits</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[from The Discernment Research Group: The Symptoms of Seduction by Spirits “Now it came about when Jerusalem was captured in the ninth year of Zedekiah king of Judah, in the tenth month, Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon and all his army came to Jerusalem and laid siege to it; in the eleventh year of Zedekiah, in [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=7016&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a href="http://herescope.blogspot.com/2012/01/breached.html" target="_blank">from The Discernment Research Group:</a></strong></p>
<p><strong>The Symptoms of Seduction by Spirits</strong></p>
<p><strong><em>“Now it came about when Jerusalem was captured in the ninth year of Zedekiah king of Judah, in the tenth month, Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon and all his army came to Jerusalem and laid siege to it; in the eleventh year of Zedekiah, in the fourth month, in the ninth day of the month, the city wall was breached.”</em></strong> Jeremiah 39:1-2, NASB . . . . . .</p>
<p>“It was toward the end of the reading that I first noticed the whirling sensation over my head. I tried to ignore it, but it wouldn’t go away. It was a strange but not unpleasant feeling that seemed to flutter and vibrate and even tingle above me. I was startled when Bonnie [my psychic reader] picked up on it.</p>
<p>‘Are you aware that there is a ball of light over your head?’</p>
<p>I was dumfounded. A ball of light? Is that what I was feeling? This was getting a little wild. I told Bonnie that I had been feeling something over my head but didn’t know what it was. She said it again.</p>
<p>‘It’s a ball of light.’</p>
<p>For a moment I tried to understand what a ball of light was doing over my head. Then I asked the obvious.</p>
<p>‘Why is there a ball of light over my head?’</p>
<p>‘You are being shown that you have a lot of help on the other side,’ she said matter-of-factly.</p>
<p>‘What do you mean by “the other side”?’</p>
<p><strong>‘The spirit world,’ was her quick reply. ‘Family and loved ones who have passed away, as well as angels and other spirits who for whatever reasons are sympathetic to your life. They are making themselves known to you. They are reaching out to you and letting you know that they are available if you want their help’.”—</strong>Warren Smith, The Light That Was Dark[1]</p>
<p><strong>Introduction</strong></p>
<p>One of life’s most difficult experiences is the death of a loved one, especially the death of one’s own child. Yet Scripture promises Christians that, “the God and Father the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ [has]&#8230; according to His abundant mercy&#8230;  caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.” (1 Peter 1:3-5, NASB)</p>
<p>Appropriated by faith, this “blessed hope” is the source of strength and comfort to Christians grieving over the death of a believing loved one who also trusted in the salvation offered by and in the Lord Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>This series of articles has been difficult for the Discernment Research Group to publish. As we read the account of Pastor Steve and Sarah Berger’s loss of their teenage son Josiah in a tragic car accident, our hearts stirred with sympathy for them and their family, for their church and their friends. Yet we rejoiced with them in their assurance that Josiah, a professing believer in Jesus Christ, was in Heaven and in the legacy he had left here on earth.</p>
<p><strong>However, amidst our sympathy for them and thoughtful consideration, we decided it necessary to rebut the New Age view of Heaven that was publicly being spread amongst the evangelical community in the Bergers’ book,</strong> Have Heart: bridging the gulf between heaven and earth.[2] Openly endorsed by such high-profile church figures as James Robison, Chuck Missler and Greg Laurie,[3] and promoted by various media outlets[4] and Koinonia House,[5] this book required a public response.[6]</p>
<p>In a point-by-point biblical and theological analysis and commentary, Have Heart was reviewed by Pastor Larry DeBruyn in his 5-part series “Do the Dead Communicate with the Living?” <strong>The Discernment Research Group thought this review of the Bergers’ book was necessary because the issues it introduces to America’s evangelical community; namely a New Age understanding of Heaven that allows for visitations from Christian loved ones who have entered the afterlife.</strong></p>
<p>From our perspective, we are sorry that the grief and anguish of their son’s death has opened the minds of the family, their friends and their audience to “the other side”[7] for the term “other side” derives its meaning from the occult world of Spiritualism, a religious phenomena that has been around for centuries.[8] As a movement, Wikipediadescribes the rise of Spiritualism to prominence in the 1840s as follows:</p>
<p><strong>Spiritualism is a belief system or religion, postulating the belief that spirits of the dead residing in the spirit world have both the ability and the inclination to communicate with the living.</strong> Anyone may receive spirit messages, but formal communication sessions (séances) are held by “mediums”, who can then provide information about the afterlife.[9]</p>
<p><strong>Under the subheading “Syncretism,” the Wikipedia entry also notes that Spiritualism was a forerunner to the New Age movement, with which it shares many similarities and overlapping connections</strong>, and that in the past it gained a foothold in many liberal Christian churches whose membership contains so-called “Christian Spiritualists.”[10]</p>
<p><strong>So herein resides our concern: the door to the doctrines and practices of Spiritualism is now being opened amongst unsuspecting evangelicals because of the information and experiences communicated by the Bergers’ book</strong>. In other words, the spiritual security of the evangelical church has been breached. This breach not only includes descriptions of their son Josiah’s afterlife appearances here on earth, but also credits to occult sources in the book and new teachings about Heaven described by the authors.</p>
<p>Because several members of the Discernment Research Group have come out of the New Age movement and have personally experienced the psychic world, we recognize Spiritualism when we see it, no matter how its tenets might be labeled. So we became alarmed enough to write more on this topic in order to warn others of the dangers inherent with courting the beliefs and practices of Spiritualism. The following summary covers some spiritualist activities that concern us. . . . . . .</p>
<p>read the full article <a href="http://herescope.blogspot.com/2012/01/breached.html" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;Consumers have long been able to insert a few coins for the likes of aspirin, ibuprofen, antacids and other common over-the-counter remedies. But some experts see a worrisome trend in making drugs like Plan B, which is kept behind the pharmacy counter, available in a vending machine.&#8221; YA THINK? As in maybe female college students being [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=7013&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Consumers have long been able to insert a few coins for the likes of aspirin, ibuprofen, antacids and other common over-the-counter remedies. But some experts see a worrisome trend in making drugs like Plan B, which is kept behind the pharmacy counter, available in a vending machine.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>YA THINK? As in maybe female college students being able to get an aborficant from a vending machine will see it on the same level as getting an aspirin from a vending machine to relieve a headache!</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Said Anna Franzonello, counsel to Americans United For Life: &#8220;Students at Shippensburg University deserve better than to have their administration represent the potent drug with life-ending potential as no more harmful than any other vending machine item.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46297601/ns/health-sexual_health/#.TzKNMciBV8E" target="_blank">from msnbc:</a></strong></p>
<p>Students at Shippensburg University in Pennsylvania can get the &#8220;morning-after&#8221; pill by sliding $25 into a vending machine, an idea that has drawn the attention of federal regulators and raised questions about how accessible emergency contraception should be.</p>
<p>The student health center at Shippensburg, a secluded public institution of 8,300 students tucked between mountain ridges in the Cumberland Valley, provides the Plan B One Step emergency contraceptive in the vending machine along with condoms, decongestants and pregnancy tests.</p>
<p>&#8220;I think it&#8217;s great that the school is giving us this option,&#8221; junior Chelsea Wehking said Tuesday. &#8220;I&#8217;ve heard some kids say they&#8217;d be too embarrassed&#8221; to go into town — Shippensburg, permanent population about 6,000 — and buy Plan B.</p>
<p>Federal law makes the pill available without a prescription to anyone 17 or older, and the school checked records and found that all current students are that age or older, a spokesman said. It doesn&#8217;t appear that any other vending machine in the U.S. dispenses the contraceptive, which can prevent pregnancy if taken soon after sexual intercourse.</p>
<p>The machine has been in place for about two years, and its existence wasn&#8217;t widely known until recently. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is contacting state officials and the university to gather facts, agency spokeswoman Stephanie Yao said Tuesday.</p>
<p>The FDA&#8217;s sudden interest took place amid a furor over religious rights and access to birth control. An official resigned from the nation&#8217;s largest breast cancer charity Tuesday over Planned Parenthood funding, and Republican presidential candidates attacked the Obama administration for a recent ruling requiring church-affiliated employers to provide birth control.</p>
<p>Consumers have long been able to insert a few coins for the likes of aspirin, ibuprofen, antacids and other common over-the-counter remedies. But some experts see a worrisome trend in making drugs like Plan B, which is kept behind the pharmacy counter, available in a vending machine.</p>
<p>Alexandra Stern, a professor of the history of medicine at the University of Michigan, said she wasn&#8217;t questioning a woman&#8217;s right to have access to Plan B, but whether making it so easily available is a good idea.</p>
<p>&#8220;Perhaps it is personalized medicine taken too far,&#8221; she said. &#8220;It&#8217;s part of the general trend that drugs are available for consumers without interface with a pharmacist or doctors. This trend has serious pitfalls.&#8221;</p>
<p>Taking Plan B within 72 hours of rape, condom failure or just forgetting regular contraception can cut the chances of pregnancy by up to 89 percent. It works best if taken within 24 hours. Some religious conservatives consider the emergency contraceptive tantamount to an abortion drug.</p>
<p>The idea for a vending machine started at Shippensburg after a survey about health center services several years ago. Eighty-five percent of the respondents supported making Plan B available, school spokesman Peter Gigliotti said. The student government endorsed the idea.</p>
<p>The machine is in the school&#8217;s Etter Health Center, which only students and university employees can access, Gigliotti said in a statement. In addition, &#8220;no one can walk in off the street and go into the health center,&#8221; he said; students must check in at a lobby desk before being allowed in.</p>
<p>Students and administrators at Shippensburg said they&#8217;re puzzled that a single vending machine at a small school has attracted such attention. Matthew Kanzler, a senior, said a lot of students at the school weren&#8217;t even aware of the machine until recently.</p>
<p>Most students do support the idea, he said — but not all.</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s a way for students to get the help or care they need,&#8221; he said, adding that students appreciate the on-campus health care because the school, about 130 miles from either Philadelphia or Pittsburgh, is so isolated.</p>
<p>In December, the Obama administration&#8217;s top health official overruled her own drug regulators and stopped the Plan B pill from moving onto drugstore shelves next to condoms and other items. It remains available behind pharmacy counters.</p>
<p>Denise Bradley, a spokeswoman for Teva Pharmaceuticals, which makes Plan B, said in a statement that it sells the product only to &#8220;licensed pharmacies or other licensed healthcare clinics, which are required to follow federal guidelines for the distribution of pharmaceutical products.&#8221;</p>
<p>On whether the machine might violate the law, &#8220;I don&#8217;t have a definite yes or no,&#8221; said Ron Ruman, a spokesman for the Pennsylvania Department of State, which oversees the state pharmacy board. If a person younger than 17 used the machine, it &#8220;potentially could be a violation,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>The drug isn&#8217;t covered or subsidized by the school. Its price at the vending machine is set by the school&#8217;s cost to the pharmaceutical company and is less than at off-campus pharmacies.</p>
<p>Deanne Hall, a professor at the University of Pittsburgh School of Pharmacy, noted that the ease of access to such a machine could be positive for many women, but wondered whether self-treatment might deter sexual assault victims from seeking medical attention.</p>
<p>&#8220;This does open up a different door,&#8221; she said.</p>
<p>Rob Maher, a professor at the Duquesne University School of Pharmacy in Pittsburgh, said he had never heard of a vending machine dispensing Plan B, but noted that there have been vending machines in doctor&#8217;s offices, and even a specialized machine designed to fill prescriptions.</p>
<p>Still, he questioned whether the machine would make it possible for a young person to buy the drug without discussing their risk factors with a health care professional.</p>
<p>&#8220;That&#8217;s the big risk with a vending machine like this,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>Carol Tobias, president of the anti-abortion group National Right to Life, said other services would be more appropriate.</p>
<p>&#8220;It would be a much more productive use of funds if universities would partner with local pregnancy resource centers where students can get real help if they need it,&#8221; Tobias said.</p>
<p>Said Anna Franzonello, counsel to Americans United For Life: &#8220;Students at Shippensburg University deserve better than to have their administration represent the potent drug with life-ending potential as no more harmful than any other vending machine item.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Video surfaces of White wrapped in Torah scroll by Eddie Long&#8217;s &#8216;rabbi&#8217;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another apostate self promoter caught in a lie! from The Florida Courier: FROM THE FLORIDA COURIER STAFF: An Orlando-area rabbi, upset that Florida-based televangelist Paula White strongly denied participating in “scroll-wrapping” considered “repulsive and inappropriate”by some Jewish religious scholars, submitted a video that seemingly corroborates that such an act did occur. The video surfaced just [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=7009&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="http://www.flcourier.com/flflorida/7587-another-paula-white-update-video-surfaces-of-white-wrapped-in-torah-scroll-by-eddie-longs-rabbi" target="_blank">from The Florida Courier:</a></strong></p>
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<p>FROM THE FLORIDA COURIER STAFF: An Orlando-area rabbi, upset that Florida-based televangelist Paula White strongly denied participating in “scroll-wrapping” considered “repulsive and inappropriate”by some Jewish religious scholars, submitted a video that seemingly corroborates that such an act did occur. The video surfaced just hours after White’s attorney categorically and unconditionally denied, to the Florida Courier&#8217;s publisher, White’s involvement in any such act.</p>
<p>White&#8217;s &#8216;wrapping&#8217; – allegedly symbolic of being “wrapped in the Word of God,” according to  Rabbi Ralph Messer on the video – is almost identical to Messer’s wrapping of New Birth Missionary Baptist Church&#8217;s Rev. Eddie Long during a controversial, widely ridiculed ceremony that went viral on YouTube.</p>
<p>Criticism of Long was swift and severe from Jewish religious scholars and the Anti-Defamation League, forcing Long to publicly apologize.</p>
<p>White is now pastor of New Destiny Christian Center, founded by the late Zachery Tims. New Destiny is one of Central Florida’s largest churches. She is also pastor of Without Walls International Church, one of Tampa’s largest churches.</p>
<p><strong>How it all started</strong></p>
<p>On Friday afternoon, Feb. 3, the West Orlando News Online reported &#8220;rumors that Messer will be in Orlando over the weekend to crown pastor Paula White, new leader of the New Destiny Christian Center (NDCC), queen.&#8221;</p>
<p>At 6 p.m. that Friday evening – just after the Florida Courier broke a story on the Internet addressing rumors of White’s possible ‘coronation’ – Messer became the focus of discussion on Orlando’s WEUS-AM 810, a local talk radio station.</p>
<p>Host Don Miller of “The Don Miller Show” harshly criticized both Long and Messer. One of the featured guests on the show was  Rabbi Ira Michaelson of the Beth Tefillah congregation in Clermont, just outside of Orlando.</p>
<p>About 10 minutes into the broadcast, Miller confirmed that he heard rumors that Messer was coming to Orlando “to do this” (another Eddie Long-style ‘coronation’) at another church.”</p>
<p>In response, Michaelson said, “He actually already did this to Paula White some years ago&#8230;this was after she was divorced from Randy White and before the scandal with Benny Hinn came out. He took her and wrapped her in a scroll and said the same thing &#8211; ‘I’m wrapping you in the Word of God.’”</p>
<p>For the remainder of the hour-long show, Miller and Michaelson continued to castigate Messer and Long. Keith Johnson, a minister, author, and former NFL Minnesota Vikings chaplain, spoke of his concern about Long’s New Birth congregation and the impact of Messer’s actions on the relationship between Black Christians and Jews.</p>
<p>(On Sunday, February 5, Johnson preached at an Orlando-area church about how Messer convinced Long’s New Birth congregation “to pronounce a curse on themselves. <a href="http://youtu.be/nMvVhcObQrc">Click here for video.</a>)</p>
<p>The Rev. Dr. Wil Gafney, an associate professor of Hebrew and Old Testament at The Lutheran Theological Seminary at Philadelphia, spoke to Miller’s show by phone about how the New Birth ceremony was disrespectful of Jewish religious traditions.</p>
<p><strong>Saturday morning call</strong></p>
<p>In multiple phone calls and emails to Florida Courier Publisher Charles W. Cherry II, Daniel Beirute, Paula White’s attorney, unconditionally denied that White would be &#8216;coronated&#8217; as was Long.</p>
<p>In response to Michealson’s quoted allegation that “He (Messer) actually already did this to Paula White some years ago&#8230;&#8221;, Beirute wrote in an email to Cherry as follows:</p>
<p>“I don’t know where Rabbi Michaelson gets his information, but my client categorically and unequivocally denies that that ever happened.”</p>
<p><strong>No longer a story</strong></p>
<p>Based on White’s unconditional denial of the Super Bowl ceremony, Florida Courier editors decided that there was no longer a story and posted a “Final Paul White update with links.” But that was not to be the last word.</p>
<p>Rabbi Michaelson, concerned that White’s denial damaged his reputation, emailed a video to Cherry that seems to corroborate his statement about White.</p>
<p>The video opens up with various instances in which an energetic White picks up or drops Bibles on the floor while preaching. About 36 seconds into the video, a caption appears: “Notice Bible on Floor.” There’s more video of White preaching, speaking ‘in tongues’, and dropping more Bibles.</p>
<p>About two minutes into the video, another caption appears. “If Paula had thrown the Koran to the floor, she would have faced certain death. The Jews rejected her from speaking at their 2007 “day of prayer” (sic) because of the following sacrilege to their sacred scrolls,&#8221; it states.</p>
<p>Then, in an undated broadcast that seems to be recorded from White’s TV show “Paula,” White agrees to allow Messer and another unidentified man to wrap White in what appears to be a Torah scroll. After saying the wrapping represents protection and being “hidden in the Word of God,” Messer tells White, “Out of something that was thrown off the tracks &#8211; like your life &#8211; God says, &#8216;I’m going to raise it up and people will read from it and quote it for generations.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>Messer then says to White, “&#8230;The Lord says, ‘You are so sacred to the Body of Christ, I’m wrapping you in the Word of God.’&#8221; The scroll seemed to be torn in the process. White appears to be overcome with emotion, then happily shakes Messer’s hand.</p>
<p><a href="http://youtu.be/aSWih7tBze8" target="_blank">Paula White ‘wrapped in the Word of God&#8217; – click here</a> for an abbreviated version posted on YouTube of the video submitted to the Florida Courier.</p>
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		<title>&#8220;Bishop&#8221; Eddie Long&#8217;s New Birth ceremony with Torah disrespectful, Jewish leaders say</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[When you drop off the cliff into the depts of depravity and abject apostasy as Mr. Long has nothing is surprising anymore, except for the fact that ANYONE actually attends a &#8220;church&#8221; that he leads! from The Atlanta Journal and Constitution: &#8220;Bishop&#8221; Long Crowned King! A ceremony held Sunday at New Birth Missionary Baptist Church, in which [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=7005&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you drop off the cliff into the depts of depravity and abject apostasy as Mr. Long has nothing is surprising anymore, except for the fact that ANYONE actually attends a &#8220;church&#8221; that he leads!</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.ajc.com/news/dekalb/new-birth-ceremony-with-1328502.html" target="_blank">from The Atlanta Journal and Constitution:</a></strong></p>
<p>&#8220;Bishop&#8221; Long Crowned King!</p>
<p>A ceremony held Sunday at New Birth Missionary Baptist Church, in which Bishop Eddie Long was wrapped in a sacred Torah scroll and carried upon a throne, has the Internet abuzz and Jewish religious leaders offended and questioning its appropriateness.</p>
<p>&#8220;He&#8217;s a king. God has blessed him,&#8221; said Rabbi Ralph Messer before covering Long in a scroll &#8220;[that] may still have the dust of Auschwitz and Birkenau.&#8221; Messer referred to the Nazi extermination camps in Poland where millions of Jews were murdered during the Holocaust.</p>
<p>A Torah&#8217;s use in a ceremony ordaining Long as &#8220;a king&#8221; is  offensive to many Jews, said Bill Nigut, Southeast Regional Director of  the Anti-Defamation League.</p>
<p>The ceremony at Long&#8217;s Lithonia church, viewed more than 139,000 times on YouTube, &#8220;in no way represents any Jewish ritual that I&#8217;m familiar with,&#8221; Nigut said. &#8220;We do not proclaim individuals to be kings.&#8221;</p>
<p>Messer said his parchment, a handwritten copy of the holiest book within Judaism, was 312 years old. His mention of Auschwitz-Birkenau implied the scroll was one of those recovered from the death camps when they were liberated by the Allies toward the end of World War II.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s impossible to authenticate Messer&#8217;s claim without examining the texts up close, said Rabbi Joshua Heller of Congregation B&#8217;nai Torah in Sandy Springs. While rare, Torahs can be easily purchased, even on eBay, he said.</p>
<p>&#8220;There are a fair number of Torah scrolls that survived the war,&#8221; said Heller, adding roughly 1,500 were rescued from Czechoslovakia alone.</p>
<p>More disturbing was the use of this particular Torah in an inappropriate setting, experts on religion say.</p>
<p>“The connection of the Torah scroll to the Holocaust and then to Eddie Long is incomprehensible to me,” said David P. Gushee, a professor of Christian ethics at Mercer University. Gushee is a scholar of the Holocaust and has visited Auschwitz several times.</p>
<p>“What was the point? Was it to signal that Eddie Long was suffering persecution like the Jews at Auschwitz?” Gushee asked.</p>
<p>Messer&#8217;s son, Minister Russell Messer of Simchat Torah Beit Midrash in Parker, Colo., said his father purchased the parchment and relied on the word of its seller regarding its provenance. &#8220;It came through that generation of Europe,&#8221; the younger Messer said.</p>
<p>Russell Messer said that in the next two days, his father &#8212; who has no formal rabbinical training &#8212; plans to post on his organization&#8217;s <strong><a href="http://www.torah.tv/">website</a></strong> the full video of his sermon along with additional comments regarding Sunday&#8217;s service.</p>
<p>When asked for comment about the event, New Birth emailed a statement Thursday in which Ralph Messer said critics misunderstood his intent.</p>
<p>&#8220;My message was about restoring a man and to encourage his walk in the Lord,&#8221; Messer said. &#8220;It was not to make Bishop Eddie L. Long a king.&#8221;</p>
<p>The YouTube video indicates otherwise, Heller told the AJC.</p>
<p>&#8220;We wouldn&#8217;t wrap a Jewish person in a Torah scroll and declare him king,&#8221; he said. &#8220;As a Jew, I find that use of symbols very off-putting.&#8221;</p>
<p>The messenger is as controversial as the message, Jewish leaders say.</p>
<p>Ralph Messer, according to a biography on his organization&#8217;s website, is &#8220;pioneering a work to bring the ‘Good News&#8217; of Yeshua (Jesus Christ) in the Torah to the ends of the Earth.&#8221; He is active in the Messianic Judaism movement, which fuses evangelical Christian beliefs with elements of Jewish tradition.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Jewish community does not associate itself with the Messianic congregations,&#8221; Heller said. &#8220;We don&#8217;t feel like this does due justice to either the Jewish or Christian community.&#8221;</p>
<p>Messer&#8217;s biography says he has ties with prominent evangelicals including the Rev. Kenneth Copeland of Lubbock, Texas, and Paula White, pastor of a charismatic mega-church based in Florida. It says he has made frequent appearances on the Trinity Broadcasting Network.</p>
<p>In his statement Thursday, Ralph Messer said Sunday&#8217;s presentation &#8220;was simply a way of bringing  honor to a man who had given his life to the Lord and had given so much  to his church, the Atlanta metro area and throughout the world.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Lifting him on the chair was to acknowledge and honor him,&#8221; he said, adding it is consistent with rituals performed at Jewish weddings and Bar mitzvahs.</p>
<p>One worshipper present at the service said it was &#8220;so much more than the video.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;If you actually attended the service you would know that Bishop Long was not ordained or considered a king in the worldly sense,&#8221; said New Birth member De&#8217;Yolanda Lowery. &#8220;I do know that Bishop Long is truly a man of God.&#8221;</p>
<p>Russell Messer said that his father and Long &#8220;just got to know each other in the last six months.&#8221;</p>
<p>Long was appointed New Birth&#8217;s pastor in 1987 when the church had only 300 members. By its 10th anniversary, New Birth reported a membership of roughly 18,000, peaking at 25,000.</p>
<p>But in September 2010, Long was sued by four former church members who  alleged he used his influence, trips, gifts and jobs to coerce  them into sexual relationships. The suit was settled in May. The church&#8217;s attendance has declined since the sexual coercion lawsuit was filed.</p>
<p>The bishop may have taken comfort in Messer&#8217;s message.</p>
<p>&#8220;You can&#8217;t attack [Long],&#8221; Messer said Sunday. &#8220;He&#8217;s sealed. Wherever he turns, the power of God is there. &#8230; It&#8217;s not him, it&#8217;s the king in him.&#8221;</p>
<p>As Long sat behind him, perched on a throne under a spotlight, Messer chanted repeatedly, &#8220;It&#8217;s a new birth,&#8221; eliciting cheers from the congregation.</p>
<p>Mercer&#8217;s Gushee said the  service  may have been an attempt to shore up Long&#8217;s standing in his ministry.</p>
<p>“A lot of things could have been done to shore that up, but this  particularly bizarre ritual was deeply disturbing,” Gushee said. “One  problem with Messianic Judaism, in which leaders attempt to fuse Jewish  and Christian traditions and symbols, is that it can easily stray into  profound insensitivity.”</p>
<p>Jamal-Dominique Hopkins, associate professor of Biblical studies at  Interdenominational Theological Center, said that on viewing the video, “My first impression was, ‘Who is this individual who has the authority to make Bishop Long a king?&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8220;It’s something I’ve never seen or read within the  Judeo-Christian tradition,&#8221; Hopkins said. &#8220;There’s nothing within Scripture that  supports such a practice of this ceremony. It really just stands outside  of the Christian faith.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Bestiality brothels spur call for animal sex ban in Germany</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you ever wanted to know why Europe is &#8220;circling the drain&#8221; into financial oblivion as well as demographic oblivion here is your answer: from The Local: Animal sex abuse is on the rise in Germany, with bestiality brothels being set up across the country, according to a state animal protection officer demanding stronger laws [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=7000&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you ever wanted to know why Europe is &#8220;circling the drain&#8221; into financial oblivion as well as demographic oblivion here is your answer:</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.thelocal.de/society/20120203-40531.html" target="_blank">from The Local:</a></strong></p>
<p>Animal sex abuse is on the rise in Germany, with bestiality brothels being set up across the country, according to a state animal protection officer demanding stronger laws to protect mankind&#8217;s furry and feathered friends.</p>
<p>Madeleine Martin, the animal protection official for Hessian state government, said the law needed to be changed to make sex abuse of animals – known as zoophilia – a crime.</p>
<p>“It is punishable to distribute animal pornography, but the act itself is not,” she told the Frankfurter Rundschau daily paper on Friday.<br />
“There are even animal brothels in Germany,” she said. Sex with animals was being increasingly seen as a lifestyle choice, and thus more acceptable.<br />
“The abuse seems to be increasingly rapidly, and the internet offers an additional distribution platform,” she said.</p>
<p>She said the justice authorities had found it exceptionally difficult to convict a man from Hesse, who had offered pictures and instructions for animal sex abuse over the internet.</p>
<p>“Zoophilia must be completely banned in the reformed animal protection law,” said Martin, referring to the governments plan to rework that section of the law.</p>
<p>Sex with animals was banned until 1969, when the animal protection law was introduced, but failed to include a specific ban on zoophilia, the Frankfurter Rundschau said.</p>
<p>Martin said the current legal situation makes it too difficult for authorities to intervene – an animal has to be shown to have massive injuries before the animal protection laws prescribe action.</p>
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		<title>Bishop accused of incitement to hatred in homily</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ireland for centuries has been &#8220;made merchandise&#8221; by the Roman Catholic Church, and now Ireland is turning on that same &#8220;church&#8221; Revelation 18:4-7: And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.  For her sins have reached to [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=6993&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ireland for centuries has been &#8220;made merchandise&#8221; by the Roman Catholic Church, and now Ireland is turning on that same &#8220;church&#8221;</p>
<p>Revelation 18:4-7:</p>
<p><strong><em>And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. <sup> </sup>For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. <sup> </sup>Render to her just as she rendered to you, and repay her double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her. <sup> </sup>In the measure that she glorified herself and lived luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart, ‘I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.’ </em></strong></p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.independent.ie/national-news/bishop-accused-of-incitement-to-hatred-in-homily-3003057.html" target="_blank">from Independent Ireland:</a></strong></p>
<p>A HOMILY delivered at Knock shrine by the Bishop of Raphoe, Philip Boyce, is being investigated by the Director of Public Prosecutions following a formal complaint by a leading humanist who claims the sermon was an incitement to hatred.</p>
<p> The gardai have confirmed to former Fine Gael election candidate John Colgan that they have prepared and forwarded a file to the DPP after he made allegations that the address by Dr Boyce was in breach of the Prohibition of Incitement to Hatred Act, 1989.</p>
<p>The homily, entitled: &#8220;To Trust in God&#8221; was delivered to worshippers during a novena at the Marian shrine in Co Mayo last August and subsequently reported in the media, including The Irish Times, under the headline: &#8220;&#8216;Godless culture&#8217; attacking church, says bishop.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mr Colgan, a retired chartered engineer and economist from Leixlip, Co Kildare, referred in his formal complaint to two key passages in Dr Boyce&#8217;s homily which he believes broke the law.</p>
<p>One of the passages referred to the Catholic Church in Ireland being &#8220;attacked from outside by the arrows of a secular and godless culture&#8221;.</p>
<p>A second passage, which was included in the complaint, stated: &#8220;For the distinguishing mark of Christian believers is the fact they have a future; it is not that they know all the details that await them, but they know in general terms that their life will not end in emptiness.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mr Colgan, who was a leader in the &#8216;Campaign to Separate Church and State&#8217; in the late 1990s, said in his complaint: &#8220;I believe statements of this kind are an incitement to hatred of dissidents, outsiders, secularists, within the meaning of the [Incitement to Hatred] Act, who are perfectly good citizens within the meaning of the civil law. The statements exemplify the chronic antipathy towards secularists, humanists etc, which has manifested itself in the ostracising of otherwise perfectly good Irish citizens, who do not share the aims of the Vatican&#8217;s Irish Mission Church.&#8221;</p>
<p>To back up his complaint, Mr Colgan referred to two statistical surveys carried out two decades apart by the Jesuit sociologist and academic Fr Michael MacGreil, entitled: &#8216;Prejudice and Tolerance in Ireland&#8217; and &#8216;Prejudice in Ireland Revisited&#8217; which Mr Colgan claims showed &#8220;marked prejudice by Roman Catholics and other Christian denominations against agnostics and atheists&#8221; (humanist was not an option offered to respondents in either survey).</p>
<p>In his complaint, Mr Colgan said he attributed this prejudice to &#8220;hostile propaganda disseminated in school and chapel in the main by or for the institutional churches, for there is no rational or temporal reason&#8221;. In a statement to the Sunday Independent, Martin Long of the Catholic Communications office said: &#8220;Bishop Boyce&#8217;s homily &#8216;To Trust in God&#8217; is available for anyone to read at catholicbishops.ie.</p>
<p>&#8220;I advise any person to read it and judge it for themselves. It is clearly a reasonable, balanced, honest &#8212; and indeed self-critical from a church perspective &#8212; analysis of the value of the Catholic faith. Bishop Boyce is a good and holy man and much loved by those who know him.&#8221;</p>
<p>After the homily was delivered late last summer, Mr Colgan wrote personally to the cleric seeking a corrective statement.</p>
<p>Dr Boyce responded saying that in his homily he did &#8220;not wish to disparage in any way the sincere efforts of those with no religious beliefs, atheists, humanists etc.</p>
<p>&#8220;I have too much respect for each human person, since I believe all are created in the image of God. At Knock I wished to encourage and confirm the hope of believers, even in the present challenging times, since trust in God was the theme I was given.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Bishops to Obama: We Will Not Comply</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have not heard a single Protestant Christian Organization come out publicly and tell the government that they will not comply with this new regulation which forces Christians to deny their faith! What is up with that? An interesting commentary on this article can be found here: The Entire Sad Contraception Issue Explained Also read here [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=6984&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not heard a single Protestant Christian Organization come out publicly and tell the government that they will not comply with this new regulation which forces Christians to deny their faith! What is up with that?</p>
<p>An interesting commentary on this article can be found here: <a href="http://www.barnhardt.biz/" target="_blank">The Entire Sad Contraception Issue Explained</a></p>
<p>Also read here about how the <a href="http://www.zerohedge.com/news/japanese-population-shrink-one-third-size-workforce-plunge-under-50-years" target="_blank">Japanese population is going to drop by one third in the next fifty</a> years due to their love affair with contraceptives and abortions:</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.theblaze.com/stories/we-will-not-comply-catholic-leaders-distribute-letter-slamming-obama-admin-contraceptive-mandate/" target="_blank">from The Blaze:</a></strong></p>
<p>We’ve covered the Catholic Church’s ongoing battle with the Obama administration over contraception health care mandates for quite some time. Over the weekend, though, the stand-off took an unusual turn, as Catholic churches across America read a letter to congregants that perfectly encapsulated the church’s stance against the impending federal requirements.</p>
<p>The Church’s vocal arguments against the Obama administration are centered upon a Health and Human Services Department requirement that employers must include contraception and abortion-inducing drugs in health-care coverage. While this requirement doesn’t apply to houses of worship, it will force Catholic colleges, hospitals and other Christian groups to provide these drugs despite their faith-based opposition to them.</p>
<p>Over the weekend, the Catholic Church’s letter went beyond simply issuing oppositional rhetoric to media. Instead, priests read an open note to congregations across the country, dubbing the administration‘s take on women’s health and religious violations as an attack on their faith. In the letter, Bishops highlighted what they called “an alarming and serious matter,“ as their words contended that the federal government has ”dealt a heavy blow” to the Catholic population.</p>
<p>In it, Catholic leaders went on to say that the Church “cannot—we will not—comply with this unjust law,” as it violates the Catholic conscience. Additionally, the church says that it is faced with a difficult decision — either comply and violate its faith or drop coverage for employees and suffer the consequences. The letter urges congregants to take action and to call Congress in an attempt to overturn the regulation.</p>
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<p><strong>A controversy is brewing over three reputable Christian organizations, which are based in North America, whose efforts have ousted the words &#8220;Father&#8221; and &#8220;Son&#8221; from new Bibles. <span style="color:#ff0000;text-decoration:underline;">Wycliffe Bible Translators</span>,<span style="color:#ff0000;text-decoration:underline;"> Summer Institute of Linguistics (SIL)</span> and<span style="color:#ff0000;text-decoration:underline;"> Frontiers</span> are under fire for <span style="color:#ff0000;text-decoration:underline;">&#8220;producing Bibles that remove &#8220;Father,&#8221; &#8220;Son&#8221; and &#8220;Son of God&#8221; because these terms are offensive to Muslims.&#8221;</span></strong></p>
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<p id="yui_3_3_0_20_1327941647370225">Concerned Christian missionaries, Bible translators, pastors, and national church leaders have come together with a public petition to stop these organizations. <strong>They claim a public petition is their last recourse because meetings with these organizations&#8217; leaders, staff resignations over this issue and criticism and appeals from native national Christians concerned about the translations <span style="text-decoration:underline;">&#8220;have failed to persuade these agencies to retain &#8220;Father&#8221; and &#8220;Son&#8221; in the text</span> of all their translations.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p id="yui_3_3_0_20_1327941647370327">Biblical Missiology, a ministry of Boulder, Colorado-based Horizon International, is sponsoring the petition.</p>
<p id="yui_3_3_0_20_1327941647370227">The main issues of this controversy surround new Arabic and Turkish translations. Here are three examples native speakers give:</p>
<p id="yui_3_3_0_20_1327941647370331">First, Wycliffe and SIL have produced Stories of the Prophets, an Arabic Bible that uses an Arabic equivalent of &#8220;Lord&#8221; instead of &#8220;Father&#8221; and &#8220;Messiah&#8221; instead of &#8220;Son.&#8221;</p>
<p id="yui_3_3_0_20_1327941647370334">Second, Frontiers and SIL have produced Meaning of the Gospel of Christ , an Arabic translation which removes &#8220;Father&#8221; in reference to God and replaces it with &#8220;Allah,&#8221; and removes or redefines &#8220;Son.&#8221; For example, the verse which Christians use to justify going all over the world to make disciples, thus fulfilling the Great Commission (Matthew 28:19) reads, &#8220;Cleanse them by water in the name of Allah, his Messiah and his Holy Spirit&#8221; instead of &#8220;baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.&#8221; Rev. <strong>Bassam Madany, an Arab American who runs Middle East Resources, terms these organization&#8217;s efforts as &#8220;a western imperialistic attempt that&#8217;s inspired by cultural anthropology, and not by biblical theology.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p id="yui_3_3_0_20_1327941647370229">Third, Frontiers and SIL have produced a new Turkish translation of the Gospel of Matthew that uses Turkish equivalents of &#8220;guardian&#8221; for &#8220;Father&#8221; and &#8220;representative&#8221; or &#8220;proxy&#8221; for &#8220;Son.&#8221; To Turkish church leader Rev. Fikret Böcek, &#8220;This translation is &#8216;an all-American idea&#8217; with absolutely no respect for the &#8216;sacredness&#8217; of Scripture, or even of the growing Turkish church.&#8221;</p>
<p id="yui_3_3_0_20_1327941647370223">SIL has issued a public response stating &#8220;all personnel subscribe to a statement of faith which affirms the Trinity, Christ&#8217;s deity, and the inspiration of Scripture.&#8221; However, in the same statement, which is similar to Wycliffe&#8217;s, it claims &#8220;word-for-word translation of these titles would communicate an incorrect meaning (i.e. that God had physical, sexual relationships with Mary) [sic],&#8221; thus justifying substituting &#8220;Father&#8221; and &#8220;Son&#8221; in new translations. Calls and emails to Wycliffe and SIL to clarify their positions were not returned. Frontiers responded to calls with articles that critics have already dismissed as skirting omissions of &#8220;Father&#8221; and &#8220;Son&#8221; in new Bible translations.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here you see T.D. Jakes once again &#8220;waffle&#8221; on his beliefs or worse yet attempts to DE-EMPHASIZE the difference between &#8220;Oneness&#8221;, Modalism and Trinitarian beliefs. He has done this in the past on other foundational Christian doctrinal beliefs as well. He then goes on to tout the new Anti-Christ ideology of &#8220;inclusiveness&#8221;. Where people should not separate from [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=truedsicernment.com&amp;blog=1204298&amp;post=6973&amp;subd=truediscernment&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here you see T.D. Jakes once again &#8220;waffle&#8221; on his beliefs or worse yet attempts to DE-EMPHASIZE the difference between &#8220;Oneness&#8221;, Modalism and Trinitarian beliefs. He has done this in the past on other foundational Christian doctrinal beliefs as well.</p>
<p>He then goes on to tout the new Anti-Christ ideology of &#8220;inclusiveness&#8221;. Where people should not separate from one another because of differences in foundational doctrinal matters.</p>
<p>It is not hard to see where all of this is going, and where &#8220;Oneness&#8221; and &#8220;Modalsim&#8221; takes us. The next step, and what you are seeing more and more in so called Christians circles goes along the lines of: &#8220;Well we Christians worship ONE God manifested in three modes, or One God appearing at different times in different forms, so that is not THAT different from Muslims who believe in ONE god, or Hindu&#8217;s who believe in ONE god manifested in multiple &#8220;avatars&#8221;</p>
<p>What is further troubling is how he uses a verse out of context to imply that the nature of God is a mystery, therefore its ok if you have Oneness, Modalist or Trinitarian beliefs! The passage in no way implies any kind of nature of the Godhead nor was it intended to!</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.christianpost.com/news/td-jakes-breaks-down-the-trinity-addresses-being-called-a-heretic-67972/" target="_blank">from The &#8220;Christian Post&#8221;:</a></strong></p>
<p>Bishop T.D. Jakes, pastor of The Potter&#8217;s House megachurch in Dallas, Texas, was put on the spot during a theological roundtable Wednesday in regards to his beliefs about the Godhead and why, in some Christian circles, he is considered a &#8220;heretic.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jakes and of a handful of other male Christian leaders were invited to participate in this year&#8217;s &#8220;The Elephant Room&#8221; roundtable, hosted and moderated by Pastors James MacDonald and Mark Driscoll. The Dallas pastor was hit with several questions about how his theological beliefs have developed, specifically in regard to the Holy Trinity – a controversial issue which The Christian Post reported on in October.</p>
<p>The Potter&#8217;s House senior pastor denied that he clings to a modalist position, although he confessed that he did at one time in his walk with God.</p>
<p>Modalism, a 3rd-century teaching accredited to theologian Sabellius, purports that the members of the Trinity are not three distinct, eternally co-existing persons, but that instead God, a singular spirit, discloses Himself at different times in three modes – a doctrine espoused by Oneness Apostolic Pentecostal and United Pentecostal Church International denominations.</p>
<p>During Wednesday&#8217;s &#8220;Elephant Room&#8221; conversation on the &#8220;majors&#8221; of Christian doctrine, Jakes explained where he falls on the issue.</p>
<p>&#8220;My father was a Methodist and my mother was a Baptist,&#8221; he explained. &#8220;I was raised in the Baptist church &#8230; but I didn&#8217;t really have a real committed experience with Christ until my father died. When my father died, I had a real experience with Christ, a real conversion with Christ and I had it in a Oneness church.&#8221;</p>
<p>The minister emphasized to Driscoll that the Pentecostal congregation he was referencing, which he pointed out was not a UPCI church, was home to &#8220;Christians who believe in Jesus Christ, believe he died, rose from the dead, is coming back again — all the same things you do.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;How they describe and explain the Godhead in a traditional Oneness sense is very different than how traditional Trinitarians describe the Gospel. I was in that church for a number of years and raised in that church for a number of years,&#8221; Jakes said.</p>
<p>&#8220;As I began to progress, I began to understand that some of the dogma that I was taught in the Oneness movement was very dogmatic, very narrow and not the very best description of how I now understand the Godhead,&#8221; he continued.</p>
<p>&#8220;My struggle as I was ordained in the Oneness church was in several passages – sometimes the doctrine fit, sometimes it doesn&#8217;t. When the doctrine becomes the primary thing, you force it into fitting in places where it doesn&#8217;t fit. I really at this point in my life don&#8217;t want to force my theology to fit in my denomination.&#8221;</p>
<p>Referencing Gen. 1:26, Luke 3:21-22, John 14:11 and other passages that he believes point to Jesus, God the Father and the Holy Spirit as having unique distinctions, Jakes revealed: &#8220;That began to make me re-think some of my ideas and some of the things I was taught.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I got kind of quiet about it for a while. When you&#8217;re a leader and you&#8217;re in a position of authority sometimes you have to back up &#8230; for a minute and really think those things through.&#8221;</p>
<p>Driscoll, near the end of the discussion, pointedly asked Jakes if he believes the Bible is &#8220;the perfect, inspired, final authority Word of God,&#8221; to which Jakes responded &#8220;absolutely.&#8221;</p>
<p>Driscoll then posed several other creedal questions in quick succession, to which Jakes responded in the affirmative:</p>
<p>&#8220;You believe there is one God, three persons: Father, Son and Spirit? You believe Jesus was fully God, fully man?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;You believe he died on the cross in our place, for our sins?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;You believe he bodily rose from death?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;You believe that he is the judge of the living and the dead?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;You believe that apart from Jesus there&#8217;s no salvation?&#8221;</p>
<p>Jakes told Driscoll once more that &#8220;there is very little difference between what I believe and what you believe.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;For you, the issue between Trinitarianism and modalism at its essence is one God manifesting Himself successively in three ways, or one God, three persons, simultaneously existing eternally. Your best understanding now &#8230; would you say it&#8217;s &#8216;one God manifesting Himself in three ways&#8217; or &#8216;one God in three persons?&#8217;&#8221; Driscoll asked.</p>
<p><span style="color:#ff0000;"><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">&#8220;I believe that neither one of them totally get it for me,&#8221; Jakes revealed</span>,</strong></span> yet expressing his agreement with the description of &#8220;one God, three persons.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;Here is why I am there. I am not crazy about the word &#8216;persons&#8217; &#8230; most people who know me know that &#8230; <span style="text-decoration:underline;"><span style="color:#ff0000;text-decoration:underline;">my doctrinal statement is really no different from yours except for the word &#8216;manifest&#8217; instead of &#8216;person</span></span></strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><span style="color:#ff0000;text-decoration:underline;">,&#8217;</span></span> which you describe as modalist and I describe as Pauline,&#8221; Jakes insisted, before quoting 1 Timothy 3:16.</p>
<p>The passage in the English Standard Version reads: <em>&#8220;Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><strong>&#8220;That is what Paul describes as a &#8216;mystery&#8217; and I don&#8217;t think we should do that,&#8221; the bishop said. &#8220;Now, Paul is not a modalist, but he does not think it is robbery to the divinity of God to say God was &#8216;manifest&#8217; in the flesh,&#8221; Jakes argued.</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;When we start talking about that sort of thing, I think that it is important that we realize that there are distinctives between the Father and the working of the Son: the Father didn&#8217;t bleed, the Father didn&#8217;t die, only in the person of Jesus Christ, coming back for us in the person of Jesus Christ &#8230; Jesus Christ has been with us, but only indwelt in the person of the Holy Spirit. We are baptized into the Body of Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit. That is consistent with my belief system.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>He added, &#8220;We are taught in our society that if we disagree within a movement, we leave &#8230; we sever. I still have fellowship associations, relationships and positions within and without Oneness and Trinitarian movements because I believe that until we bridge the gap between our thinking, and humble both sides <span style="color:#ff0000;">and say &#8216;we&#8217;re both attempting to describe a God we love, that we serve and that we have not seen, and that we are viewing Him through the context of the Scriptures but that with a glass darkly&#8217;</span></strong> – why should I fall out and hate and throw names at you when all that I know and understand, be it very Orthodox, is still through a glass darkly?&#8221; . . . . . .</p>
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