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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://truedsicernment.com/2008/07/17/we-are-in-a-season-of-false-teachers/#comment-3447</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Russell,

I have read some of N.T. Wrights book and in this instance I agree with the author of this article

N.T Wright IS incorrectly identifying what Salvation is. He even contradicts Jesus own Words. and hence he misunderstands Revelation 21.

N.T. Wright is saying that Salvation is not being &quot;Born Again&quot; or Born of the Spirit. He is saying that Salvation is a future thing. Something that does not occur until the &quot;New Heaven and New Earth&quot; are created by God as spoken of in Revelation 21

You can read N.T. Wrights explanation here:

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/nicholas_t_wright/2007/06/start_by_understanding_salvati.html

Also his reading of Revelation 21 is very far off!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russell,</p>
<p>I have read some of N.T. Wrights book and in this instance I agree with the author of this article</p>
<p>N.T Wright IS incorrectly identifying what Salvation is. He even contradicts Jesus own Words. and hence he misunderstands Revelation 21.</p>
<p>N.T. Wright is saying that Salvation is not being &#8220;Born Again&#8221; or Born of the Spirit. He is saying that Salvation is a future thing. Something that does not occur until the &#8220;New Heaven and New Earth&#8221; are created by God as spoken of in Revelation 21</p>
<p>You can read N.T. Wrights explanation here:</p>
<p><a href="http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/nicholas_t_wright/2007/06/start_by_understanding_salvati.html" rel="nofollow">http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/nicholas_t_wright/2007/06/start_by_understanding_salvati.html</a></p>
<p>Also his reading of Revelation 21 is very far off!</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Roberts</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First, I would like to address the previous comment by patpat.  The book to which you refer was written by Rick Joyner, a false prophet, not by N.T. Wright who is one of the worlds&#039; leading theologians.

Now to John.  I admire your zeal to defend biblical doctrine.  I feel the same way.  I wish more people were concerned about teaching sound Biblical doctrine.  That is the very reason I think you should reconsider your position on N.T. Wright.  Have you actually read any of his books?

If you do, will find that he formulates his teaching from scripture.  His teaching related to heaven is that Christians have adopted false ideas about heaven that are not based on the Bible.  A careful reading of scripture will reveal that the hope of the Apostles was in the resurrection.

Very often, when we first hear something that challenges what we have come to believe, we simply dismiss it and disregard it out of hand.  I am guilty as anybody else of doing the same thing.  Like you, I would dismiss ideas that conflicted with my presuppositions.

I think that we would probably agree on many issues but again, I think you should at least give Wright a fair hearing.  At a minimum, read one of his books and fairly consider what he has to say.  His teaching has had a huge impact on my ability to understand the Bible.

Blessings to you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I would like to address the previous comment by patpat.  The book to which you refer was written by Rick Joyner, a false prophet, not by N.T. Wright who is one of the worlds&#8217; leading theologians.</p>
<p>Now to John.  I admire your zeal to defend biblical doctrine.  I feel the same way.  I wish more people were concerned about teaching sound Biblical doctrine.  That is the very reason I think you should reconsider your position on N.T. Wright.  Have you actually read any of his books?</p>
<p>If you do, will find that he formulates his teaching from scripture.  His teaching related to heaven is that Christians have adopted false ideas about heaven that are not based on the Bible.  A careful reading of scripture will reveal that the hope of the Apostles was in the resurrection.</p>
<p>Very often, when we first hear something that challenges what we have come to believe, we simply dismiss it and disregard it out of hand.  I am guilty as anybody else of doing the same thing.  Like you, I would dismiss ideas that conflicted with my presuppositions.</p>
<p>I think that we would probably agree on many issues but again, I think you should at least give Wright a fair hearing.  At a minimum, read one of his books and fairly consider what he has to say.  His teaching has had a huge impact on my ability to understand the Bible.</p>
<p>Blessings to you.</p>
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		<title>By: patpat holliday</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I knew that this man was deluded when I saw his funny book called the Final Quest...he said that he saw demons on the mountain side &quot;urinating on Christians below and polluting them...I remember I closed the book thinking, demons don&#039;t unrinate, they are spiritual beings and forgot about him. 
Then he came to Jacksonville, we have a DVD showing an entire church under hypnosis, including the pastor ...we&#039;ve had DVD about five years, we were shocked but have only realized now what his position seems to be in the apostasy movement that is going going on.
pat holliday]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew that this man was deluded when I saw his funny book called the Final Quest&#8230;he said that he saw demons on the mountain side &#8220;urinating on Christians below and polluting them&#8230;I remember I closed the book thinking, demons don&#8217;t unrinate, they are spiritual beings and forgot about him.<br />
Then he came to Jacksonville, we have a DVD showing an entire church under hypnosis, including the pastor &#8230;we&#8217;ve had DVD about five years, we were shocked but have only realized now what his position seems to be in the apostasy movement that is going going on.<br />
pat holliday</p>
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