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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;The Hagee Heresy&#8217; being retracted!?</title>
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		<title>By: daniel hamilton</title>
		<link>http://truedsicernment.com/2007/12/06/the-hagee-heresy-being-retracted/#comment-2340</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hagee certainly is wrong, but the delusion of men like Maugans are worse.  

Such cultist seek to exclude churches that are born again but reject them by majoring on real (or perceived) errors, while they themselves misled others. Typical of such is a martyr spirit, that is deceived into thinking that those who are in fact seeking to save the lost are part of a conspiracy to kill them. This was manifest in Israel of old, who supposed that Mose, who sought to save the Jews, was really out to kill them (Ex. 14:11). And so it is today. 

Paradoxically, they teach that it is the churches which disagree with them who promote discord, as the meaning of unity according to them means agreements with their peculiar doctrines, which usually major on dark saying, which they esoterically proclaim they alone discern.     

And so it is with disciples of James Lloyd, who is a verifiable false prophet many times over, and false teacher, while denigrating all who disagree with them. And yet his disciples urged those they loved to follow after him, which would have been to his financial interest. By the grace of God most (we hope) had more discernment than to do so.  

His would be successors, such as Randy Maugans (if that is indeed his real name), teach that we are now in the tribulation, and that &quot;There is now NO TIME left to be found inside churches&quot; (18th Day of the 8th Month-Lord’s Calendar/October 21, 2005 C.E.), and that Luke 19:41-44 has NOT been fulfilled, but refers to &quot;the millions (multitude) of followers in Evangelical churches&quot; who support the racial/religious identity and a nation-State of Israel, as if supporting them, rather than opposing their right to exist, was a mark of the anti-Christ. 

Consistent with their deception, they imagine that a special affection for the Israel after the flesh (Rm. Rm. 9:1-4), the “natural branches,” is being a respecter of person, yet God Himself manifest such, and is the One who defines what He means by such. Which is that He has special respect to Abraham&#039;s natural offspring, not because of any intrinsic superiority, but because of his love for Abraham. And which covenantal love extends to his physical decedents, which is why they miraculously have a land  to dwell in after 2000 years of dispersion. 

(Rom 11:28)  &quot;As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers&#039; sakes.&quot;

And while this same special affection should move one to reprove Israel for their hard hardheartedness toward the gospel and rejection of their Messiah, as Paul did (Acts 13:40), yet his willingness to to go to Hell for them (Rm. 9:3), and earnest despite to see them, above all people, to be saved, (Rom 10:1), is a mark of a real Christian who is walking in  the Spirit  of Christ, who places a priority upon their conversion (Lk. 24:47; Rm. 1:16).       

It is thus not the unique, general support of Israel that is a problem with an evangelical church, but a lack of which, as well an unwillingness to actively seek their conversion, which is one of Hagee&#039;s  many errors.

However, the fantasy of Maugans + co. is not only that evangelical Christendom is running blindly after him, and which is will lead to them taking up arms against those who do not support Israel as a  object of God&#039;s covenantal love and their Statehood.  Like the lying leader James Lloyd (http://www.beaconoftruth.com/ch21.htm), this too will be shown to be deception, while the real betrayal of Bible believing Christians will be by liberals who  harbor a victim mentality from the devil, and side with enemies of Israel and all whose identity evidence the literal authority of God&#039;s word, which is their ultimate enemy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hagee certainly is wrong, but the delusion of men like Maugans are worse.  </p>
<p>Such cultist seek to exclude churches that are born again but reject them by majoring on real (or perceived) errors, while they themselves misled others. Typical of such is a martyr spirit, that is deceived into thinking that those who are in fact seeking to save the lost are part of a conspiracy to kill them. This was manifest in Israel of old, who supposed that Mose, who sought to save the Jews, was really out to kill them (Ex. 14:11). And so it is today. </p>
<p>Paradoxically, they teach that it is the churches which disagree with them who promote discord, as the meaning of unity according to them means agreements with their peculiar doctrines, which usually major on dark saying, which they esoterically proclaim they alone discern.     </p>
<p>And so it is with disciples of James Lloyd, who is a verifiable false prophet many times over, and false teacher, while denigrating all who disagree with them. And yet his disciples urged those they loved to follow after him, which would have been to his financial interest. By the grace of God most (we hope) had more discernment than to do so.  </p>
<p>His would be successors, such as Randy Maugans (if that is indeed his real name), teach that we are now in the tribulation, and that &#8220;There is now NO TIME left to be found inside churches&#8221; (18th Day of the 8th Month-Lord’s Calendar/October 21, 2005 C.E.), and that Luke 19:41-44 has NOT been fulfilled, but refers to &#8220;the millions (multitude) of followers in Evangelical churches&#8221; who support the racial/religious identity and a nation-State of Israel, as if supporting them, rather than opposing their right to exist, was a mark of the anti-Christ. </p>
<p>Consistent with their deception, they imagine that a special affection for the Israel after the flesh (Rm. Rm. 9:1-4), the “natural branches,” is being a respecter of person, yet God Himself manifest such, and is the One who defines what He means by such. Which is that He has special respect to Abraham&#8217;s natural offspring, not because of any intrinsic superiority, but because of his love for Abraham. And which covenantal love extends to his physical decedents, which is why they miraculously have a land  to dwell in after 2000 years of dispersion. </p>
<p>(Rom 11:28)  &#8220;As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers&#8217; sakes.&#8221;</p>
<p>And while this same special affection should move one to reprove Israel for their hard hardheartedness toward the gospel and rejection of their Messiah, as Paul did (Acts 13:40), yet his willingness to to go to Hell for them (Rm. 9:3), and earnest despite to see them, above all people, to be saved, (Rom 10:1), is a mark of a real Christian who is walking in  the Spirit  of Christ, who places a priority upon their conversion (Lk. 24:47; Rm. 1:16).       </p>
<p>It is thus not the unique, general support of Israel that is a problem with an evangelical church, but a lack of which, as well an unwillingness to actively seek their conversion, which is one of Hagee&#8217;s  many errors.</p>
<p>However, the fantasy of Maugans + co. is not only that evangelical Christendom is running blindly after him, and which is will lead to them taking up arms against those who do not support Israel as a  object of God&#8217;s covenantal love and their Statehood.  Like the lying leader James Lloyd (<a href="http://www.beaconoftruth.com/ch21.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.beaconoftruth.com/ch21.htm</a>), this too will be shown to be deception, while the real betrayal of Bible believing Christians will be by liberals who  harbor a victim mentality from the devil, and side with enemies of Israel and all whose identity evidence the literal authority of God&#8217;s word, which is their ultimate enemy.</p>
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		<title>By: PJ Miller</title>
		<link>http://truedsicernment.com/2007/12/06/the-hagee-heresy-being-retracted/#comment-1193</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PJ Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 04:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thought you might be interested in reading an email Randy Maugans [from the threshing floor] received about Hagee re-writing the one chapter--plus, a few other comments made by Hagee to Michael Brown:

http://threshingfloor.onevoicemm.net/weblog/?p=941



From reading Hagee&#039;s comments, he still refuses to offer the Gospel to the Jews--unless, they ask for it.

I hate being suspicious..but i am. To me it does not appear that anything in his beliefs has actually changed--he&#039;s just going to &#039;clean up&#039; one chapter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought you might be interested in reading an email Randy Maugans [from the threshing floor] received about Hagee re-writing the one chapter&#8211;plus, a few other comments made by Hagee to Michael Brown:</p>
<p><a href="http://threshingfloor.onevoicemm.net/weblog/?p=941" rel="nofollow">http://threshingfloor.onevoicemm.net/weblog/?p=941</a></p>
<p>From reading Hagee&#8217;s comments, he still refuses to offer the Gospel to the Jews&#8211;unless, they ask for it.</p>
<p>I hate being suspicious..but i am. To me it does not appear that anything in his beliefs has actually changed&#8211;he&#8217;s just going to &#8216;clean up&#8217; one chapter.</p>
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		<title>By: PJ Miller</title>
		<link>http://truedsicernment.com/2007/12/06/the-hagee-heresy-being-retracted/#comment-1189</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PJ Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I still find myself troubled that a man of supposed stature as John Hagee could have made such a grevious error! I also believe that the questionable material in his book extends far beyond just one chapter. It all seems like he is only correcting what he absolutely has to, to escape the label of  out and out “Heretic” while still not insulting his Jewish Friends. But in my book the man is a shameless Worldly publicity and influence seeker.
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Amen John...

&#039;If&#039; this be true, what did he have, some sort of &quot;epiphany&quot;, or is he responding to the public outrage from most Christian ministry&#039;s?


For anyone who read the book, re-vamping one chapter isn&#039;t enough. 

He&#039;ll continue to be a false teacher in my book, until he repents.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still find myself troubled that a man of supposed stature as John Hagee could have made such a grevious error! I also believe that the questionable material in his book extends far beyond just one chapter. It all seems like he is only correcting what he absolutely has to, to escape the label of  out and out “Heretic” while still not insulting his Jewish Friends. But in my book the man is a shameless Worldly publicity and influence seeker.<br />
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<p>Amen John&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8216;If&#8217; this be true, what did he have, some sort of &#8220;epiphany&#8221;, or is he responding to the public outrage from most Christian ministry&#8217;s?</p>
<p>For anyone who read the book, re-vamping one chapter isn&#8217;t enough. </p>
<p>He&#8217;ll continue to be a false teacher in my book, until he repents.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Scudder</title>
		<link>http://truedsicernment.com/2007/12/06/the-hagee-heresy-being-retracted/#comment-1188</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Scudder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I e-mailed Hagee&#039;s office and asked them if he believed that all Jews are saved even if they deny Christ. The answer I got back was &quot;yes&quot;.

Hagee believes that all Jews that have ever lived are saved. He say&#039;s they have a special covenent with God.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I e-mailed Hagee&#8217;s office and asked them if he believed that all Jews are saved even if they deny Christ. The answer I got back was &#8220;yes&#8221;.</p>
<p>Hagee believes that all Jews that have ever lived are saved. He say&#8217;s they have a special covenent with God.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Roberts</title>
		<link>http://truedsicernment.com/2007/12/06/the-hagee-heresy-being-retracted/#comment-1187</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Russell Roberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks.  I was apparently a little confused.  We are on the same team brother.  Keep up the good work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.  I was apparently a little confused.  We are on the same team brother.  Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://truedsicernment.com/2007/12/06/the-hagee-heresy-being-retracted/#comment-1186</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I did not write the article itself it is a linked article and my comments are in italics above the link.

I have no doubts that Mr. Hagee&#039;s move is a political one to save face with his &quot;peers&quot; while at the same time not alienating himself from His Jewish Friends.

As you will see in my comments in italics above the article Mr. Hagee&#039;s troubling views go far beyond one chapter of his current book.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not write the article itself it is a linked article and my comments are in italics above the link.</p>
<p>I have no doubts that Mr. Hagee&#8217;s move is a political one to save face with his &#8220;peers&#8221; while at the same time not alienating himself from His Jewish Friends.</p>
<p>As you will see in my comments in italics above the article Mr. Hagee&#8217;s troubling views go far beyond one chapter of his current book.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Russell Roberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yea, but where is the question mark in this section?

Since the writing of my commentary, “The Mystery of Lawlessness and The Hagee Heresy”, a significant development has taken place that must be both publicized and applauded: ‘The Hagee Heresy’ has been retracted! Rev. John Hagee has agreed to rewrite the chapter in question in his new book, “In Defense of Israel” -

What was slightly confusing is that you had the question mark in the title but then stated it as if it was a done deal.  I&#039;m not trying to be picky I just think we should wait to see if he really offers a retraction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea, but where is the question mark in this section?</p>
<p>Since the writing of my commentary, “The Mystery of Lawlessness and The Hagee Heresy”, a significant development has taken place that must be both publicized and applauded: ‘The Hagee Heresy’ has been retracted! Rev. John Hagee has agreed to rewrite the chapter in question in his new book, “In Defense of Israel” -</p>
<p>What was slightly confusing is that you had the question mark in the title but then stated it as if it was a done deal.  I&#8217;m not trying to be picky I just think we should wait to see if he really offers a retraction.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And that is why I have a question mark in the title of the Article as well as my comments showing my skepticism]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And that is why I have a question mark in the title of the Article as well as my comments showing my skepticism</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Roberts</title>
		<link>http://truedsicernment.com/2007/12/06/the-hagee-heresy-being-retracted/#comment-1183</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Russell Roberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You might actually want to wait and see if Hagee actually makes a statement of retraction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might actually want to wait and see if Hagee actually makes a statement of retraction.</p>
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