But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived.
2 Timothy 3:13
“They grew at an unbelievable speed. It became less about God and more about self-promotion,”
How long will people be suckered by the likes of these? on the heels of the Bishop Weeks & Juanita Bynum bust up comes this.
People Open your eyes!
To be clear, there is no reveling here in the news of their divorce, but if you read the article you will see that this is just the latest in a long line of proofs that this couple have went very far from living in accordance to how God’s word says we should live. It is deeply troubling to me and should be to anyone else that these two actually believe that they can continue in their respective ministries after divorcing each other. There is no such thing as a divorce among those who profess to be true Christain Leaders.
The manner in which the two talk about their divorce in this article as if it is a normal part of Christian leadership life and life will go on is a direct slap in the face to God’s Word. And it should show everyone that there was and is something very wrong in the lives of these people.
Evangelist power couple is splitting up
Randy and Paula White tell worshippers at Without Walls Church International that they are divorcing at Thursday night’s service.
TV evangelist Paula White, who is a frequent speaker at a San Antonio church where she recently formed a ministry partnership, and her husband, Randy, announced Thursday night that they plan to divorce after a nearly 18-year marriage.The split was made public during a Thursday evening service for their Tampa, Fla., congregation, Without Walls International Church, which they founded in 1991 and which became one of the nation’s largest and fastest-growing churches.
What her forthcoming divorce will mean for Family Praise Center in Northwest San Antonio remains unclear. White plans to keep Tampa as her base and continue preaching there, but she’s putting down some roots here. She bought a nearly $700,000 home outside Boerne earlier this month, about the same time she was giving a five-week sermon series at Family Praise Center, founded by Bishop Rick Hawkins.Increasingly, White, Hawkins, his son and the San Antonio church have developed closer links.
White is a rising TV evangelist who has widespread appeal among evangelical Christians, particularly women. Her “Paula White Today” show is broadcast nationally on major networks such as CMT and BET and her Life By Design empowerment conferences, based in New York City, are spreading to cities nationwide.
The Whites told the Tampa Tribune no infidelity was involved in their breakup, which they described as “amicable.”
“This has been an ongoing process and journey,” said Paula White, standing on stage with her husband. “But God is always faithful. God always carries you through the dark places of life.”
Randy White told the audience Paula White would continue preaching all over the world and on television. “I’m going to pastor this church and focus on being a great dad,” he said.
Paula White first came to Family Praise Center in November 2005 to speak at a church-sponsored conference. She began to speak more regularly here and in recent months has led Sunday morning and Wednesday night services, recorded shows for syndication and led a fundraiser for a teen-pregnancy center.
Will Norris, staff pastor and communications director for Family Praise Center, told the San Antonio Express-News two weeks ago that the church and White have a ministry partnership that includes joining forces on community outreach and receiving advice from her on how the church could grow.
Norris did not return numerous phone calls seeking details about the partnership. Reached after the church’s Wednesday service, he repeatedly declined to comment, referring all questions to White’s spokeswoman Sheila Withum of WDC Media. The California-based public relations firm also has done work for Family Praise Center.
Withum told the Express-News two weeks ago that San Antonio was a likely site for Paula White to establish a Life By Design center, a place where monthly conferences would be offered. The first center was established in New York City, where White has held two conferences in recent months and where she owns a Trump Tower condo.
Phone calls and e-mails to Withum the past couple of weeks were not returned.
Family Praise Center was founded by Hawkins in 1993 and his son Dustin Hawkins is pastor. Both men got divorced in February.
Norris said neither Dustin nor Rick Hawkins was available for comment. Calls this week to Rick Hawkins’ home were not returned.
During the Wednesday night service, Dustin Hawkins gave the main message, noting that he and his father attended Paula White’s Life By Design conference Sunday in New York City.
Paula White told the Tampa Tribune that her involvement with Family Praise Center as a ministry partner was minimal but did say she is serving as the “spiritual overseer” for Dustin Hawkins. Meanwhile, Rick Hawkins is a board member for White’s newly formed PWM Life Center Inc., a tax-exempt, nonprofit agency created in February, according to documents filed with the Florida Department of State’s Division of Corporations.
Rick Hawkins is known in San Antonio for founding the School of Excellence in Education in 1998, the city’s largest charter school district that caters to so-called at-risk students and includes a high school named after him.
Paula White is scheduled to speak at Family Praise Center on Sept. 9 and at Cornerstone Church on the North Side on Sept. 23.
Her background — growing up poor in Mississippi and overcoming a troubled upbringing — resonates with her audiences, especially African Americans, who make up the majority at her Tampa church.
Family Praise Center counts among its members a high number of African American and Hispanic people. White and Hawkins are Anglo and have been active in inner-city outreach.
White’s lavish lifestyle, which includes a private jet, a Mercedes and a $2.1 million home in an elite neighborhood in Tampa, has generated criticism. Such amenities, she says, reflect God’s blessing and notes her frequent donations to worldwide humanitarian causes.
White bought a 3,300-square-foot home just east of Boerne near the Kendall-Comal county line this month. The property, appraised at $681,570, is on 3.7 acres and includes a pool, guesthouse and three-car garage.
During a speaking engagement Aug. 12 at Family Praise Center, White arrived on stage from a side entrance and took a seat at the front next to Rick and Dustin Hawkins. Several security guards stood watch nearby.
After the service, she exited into a private room. Her message that morning touched on common motivational themes she’s stated in speeches and books about overcoming obstacles through faith.
“We are in the last days of the greatest outpouring of God’s spirit and even though we ugly, come on, some of us have a mess,” she said. “We don’t look like ministry material. We don’t act like ministry material. But we are fruitful because we have a heart towards God that is pure and hands that are clean.”
Often, her sermon brought standing ovations.
Lucia Perez, a Family Praise Center member, said some people there were wondering why Paula White has been frequenting the church in recent months, but ultimately the only issue affecting them was how to deal with the abnormally large audiences she generated.
“At first, people questioned it. It was like, ‘Wow, she’s been here a lot,'” Perez said. “But the only thing different (for church members) was that the church was packed.”
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/religion/stories/MYSA082407.01B.paulawhite.347acf0.html
Without Walls Founders Divorcing
By MICHELLE BEARDEN and BAIRD HELGESON , The Tampa Tribune
Tampa Bay Online
Updated: 11:59 p.m. ET Aug 23, 2007
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TAMPA – Randy and Paula White, the founders and co-pastors of what has been one of the nation’s biggest and fastest-growing churches, plan to divorce.
Members of Without Walls International Church reacted with tears and a chorus of “Oh, no’s” after the Whites’ announcement at Thursday night’s service.
Randy called Paula to the podium about an hour into the service. He was somber; Paula appeared choked up.
“It’s the most difficult decision I’ve ever had to make in my entire life,” he told the congregation, describing Paula as an exceptional woman, mother and preacher.
She pledged to return frequently to preach.
Viewers who tuned in to a live webcast of the service missed the announcement; the video and audio were cut off for about 10 minutes.
The most shaken members left the service and went into the entryway to cry or call loved ones. Most said the news came as a shock, but it didn’t shake their faith in the ministry.
“It’s like hearing the news from your parents,” said Frank Murillo, who has attended the church for 10 years. “They are great people. We all go through stuff. Pastor Randy will be here, and I will be here.”
Kerran Fuller has attended the church on and off since the beginning of the year.
The announcement “didn’t weaken the church in anyway,” he said after the service. “I’ll definitely keep going.”
The Whites, who’ve been married nearly 18 years, said in interviews that the split is amicable and comes after visits to counselors over several years.
They blame two lives going in different directions.
Randy, however, said he takes “100 percent responsibility” for the breakup.
“I want to apologize for the poor decisions I’ve made in my life, to my congregation and to the body of Christ,” he told The Tampa Tribune. “I think I’ve let a lot of people down.”
Those regrets, he said, include how he has treated some people, lifestyle changes and being seen in public with women other than his wife, even if it was innocent.
He and Paula said the split involves no third party on either side.
Randy will stay at Without Walls as senior pastor while Paula concentrates on her ministry, which includes a TV show broadcast on several national networks including Black Entertainment Television, conferences, and book and video sales.
She’ll remain based in Tampa, with satellite operations in California, New York City and San Antonio.
Church attendance “will take a hit” from the news, Randy predicted. Without Walls reports having 23,000 members.
Its finances also will be affected: Paula’s ministry brings in about $50,000 to $80,000 a week, he said. An audit put total church revenues at nearly $40 million last year.
Individual Pursuits
Although Paula will continue to financially support the church, the Whites are in the process of separating operations.
The couple have pursued individual goals in recent months, rarely preaching together at the church on North Grady Avenue near Raymond James Stadium. They’ve also had to deal with the illness of Randy’s grown daughter, who was diagnosed with a brain tumor in December.
Paula, 41, is frequently on the road for her for-profit and nonprofit ventures. One of those, Paula White Enterprises, changed earlier this year when Randy’s name was removed as a director, according to Department of State records. In February, she created a new nonprofit, PWM Lifecenter, listing as directors herself, church CFO Norva Carrington, and Rick Hawkins, founding pastor of the Family Praise Center in San Antonio, Texas.
She has made many speaking trips recently to San Antonio and this month purchased a $681,000 home there. She serves as “oversight pastor” to Hawkins’ son Dustin, who now leads the church.
Paula also frequently travels to New York City, where she has a Trump Tower condo and leads monthly services at her new Life by Design Empowerment Center.
Randy, 49, has spent several months commuting to Malibu, Calif., where he signed a one-year lease on a beachfront dwelling. He had told his congregation he planned to start another church there, but now says those plans are on hold.
This is the second marriage each for the Whites, who came to Tampa after marrying in Maryland in March 1990. They have four grown children – three from his previous marriage, one from hers.
Without Walls church board member Alick Clarke of Acton, Calif., a longtime friend, said the impending divorce is sad news.
“They were like my heroes. I really love them,” he said. “But I’m also a little pissed off. I didn’t help them build their dream to have them throw it all away.”
An Australian-born businessman, Clarke said he’s given hundreds of thousands of dollars to the church since it was founded by the Whites in 1991 as the South Tampa Christian Center.
He partially blamed the couple’s breakup on their devotion to preaching a prosperity message, exhorting followers to give more money to the church in order to be blessed with greater wealth.
“Too many ministries have become big business. That message is desecrating the church today,” said Clarke, adding that he was disturbed to learn that with revenues at $40 million last year, the church was $22 million in debt.
“That’s just not right.”
Other questions about the Whites’ financial dealings arose in stories published by the Tribune in May. Those included the couple’s failure to repay a $170,000 loan from an elderly widow, money borrowed in 1995 as a down payment on a house. The couple sold the house in 2006, but still had not repaid the loan to Ruth McGinnis by May.
This week, McGinnis told the Tribune that “everything’s been settled financially between Pastor Randy and me.”
Also in May, The Tribune wrote about a young mother who said she never received the home she won in a widely publicized church contest in 2002.
On Aug. 15 she reported she and her four children had just moved into a new home purchased by the church.
Money Matters
The Whites have declined to say what the church pays them.
Michael Chitwood, whose financial services company devised their compensation package, said he recalled they have taken an annual salary as high as $1.5 million collectively, though most years it’s closer to $600,000.
They were approved to take up to $3 million collectively, said the president of Chitwood & Chitwood of Tennessee.
Perhaps the most complex part of their divorce, being handled by Holland & Knight law firm, will be dividing up the assets, debts and business interests.
The couple’s home on Bayshore Boulevard has an assessed value of $2.22 million. They have a land trust that includes two Tampa houses with assessed values of $144,800 and $257,835. The New York condo is valued at about $3.5 million.
Their multimillion-dollar ministry includes a private jet.
Randy White has said much of their wealth comes from more than 23 successful business ventures, including real estate and his role as a pitchman for Great HealthWorks’ Omega XL fatty acid pills.
His main company, RAW Realty, is listed on his company Web site as being housed at 100 S. Ashley Drive, Suite 1180, in Tampa, but a law firm occupies that space. The state lists the company as being located at 2511 Grady Ave. in Tampa, which is the church address. The phone number on the Web site and listed with the state is disconnected. E-mails sent to the Web address were not returned.
White said this week the company is “very much active” in real estate, residential acquisitions and other ventures, but he’s pared it down to himself and one assistant.
An ‘Amazing’ Start
Phil Cooke, a Los Angeles-based media strategist and consultant for religious and nonprofit organizations, said he remembers when the couple started their ministry.
“What they did in Tampa’s inner city was amazing,” he said. “They were creative, sharp, innovative. The track they started out on was terrific.”
The church had dozens of ministries that worked with disadvantaged children, the homeless, people with substance abuse problems, single mothers and others on society’s fringe.
It put on Easter services in venues such as the Sun Dome, where thousands were treated to giveaways and performances by stars such as Loretta Lynn, Lee Greenwood and Patti LaBelle. The high energy and good works attracted high-profile members including professional athletes and other local celebrities.
As the church gained members and revenue, the pastors changed. Paula built her international television ministry and became a life coach on “The Tyra Banks Show.” Randy talked of performing nuptials for Kid Rock and Pamela Anderson in Michigan (they filed for divorce a month later). He boasted that he wasn’t like “religious” people, posing in 2005 for a cover story in Makes and Models magazine, a publication devoted to exotic cars, motorcycles and scantily clad models. He has tattoos, collects guns and enjoys wine.
At a Sunday service in April, he introduced his former personal trainer – an attractive ex-porn star turned Christian – from the pulpit.
“We’re cutting edge,” he told the Tribune that month. “We do things a little bit differently than what a typical ministry would do.”
This week, White promised changes are in store for the church and himself.
Without Walls will be less independent and more visible in the community, he said. He wants to team with other ministries in the city.
For personal growth, he now has three “accountability partners” who will help him concentrate on being a “good dad and great pastor.”
“I’ve been preaching restoration for 15 years,” he said. “Now it’s time to live it.”
Tim Storey, a Los Angeles-based minister and life coach, is a big believer in restoration; when he divorced, his ministry was scarred.
“You can rebound from it, but not everyone will go with you,” said Storey, a frequent guest speaker at Without Walls. “The key is turning to God to turn the setbacks into comebacks.”
Paula White said she knows followers will feel let down and disappointed by the announcement, given that evangelical Christians hold marriage as a sacred institution and a cornerstone of a godly life.
“I wish there was a magic formula that gave you guarantees in life,” she said. “Now I have to draw deep into my faith and let God draw me out of this dark place.”
Doreen Fawkes, a former business administrator at Without Walls, said she hates to see any marriage end, but she’s not surprised by the announcement.
“They grew at an unbelievable speed. It became less about God and more about self-promotion,” she said, but the congregation needs to understand it’s not just about the Whites.
“The people are the church,” she said. “And the presence of God is the glue that holds them together. I pray the people will see that and carry on.”
Are the “Whites” really thinking….. I think we’ll just zip our leaky “Zip-Lock Bag” of life and go our seperate ways and every thing will still be good in my heart, with my spouse I am seperating from cuse it’s the best thing, my family, at my pulpit with my Church family?? …. oh, and my jet, my wealth, my property…abundance….Saving the Lost at any cost?!! Life will go on. Sounds like an “insta-fix” like an “insta-flat” for our automobile tires that go flat to continue on with our journey in a hurry. They’ve poured into so may lives God’s word… now the need to personally live it.
I think Jesus is weaping …… cause in my heart, I am over all of this.
Perhaps stepping down for both of them for a season and getting godly counsel and time alone with god regarding decisions for now and the future but also reflecting on the past. For a season, they can live on their bank and investment interest, book and tape sales and generous donations they get from the crowds they attract and “the faithful” to still keep up their opulant life styles.
But wait, maybe there is a little bit of the White’s in all of us. Wanting to do good and reaping the rewards, kind of like “heaven on earth”. Most have not seen that. Jet?….Personally I wouldn’t want a hellicopter. To many ups and downs. I hate Circus rides.
Maybe we should get back to the early church way of life. And where can we find out about that? In His Word, His still small voice, not our own and godly (accountability) counsel.
No adultry? It just doesn’t feel good any more is not grounds for a divorce…. wait, let me get my bible.
A former member.
This article actually speaks volumes concerning what is wrong with these people and their “Ministry”
For two people who actually call themselves not only professing Christians but also Christian leaders who have so much impact on so many people to think they can just get a dvorce and go on with their ministry is mind boggling!
This to me is an earth quake warning to people that the Church in the west is down for the count!
And that people need to flee from such selfish leaders!
I see such things as this and I too weep! I weep for the people who will be affected by this! Who will be deceived by this! Who’s faith will be destroyed by this!
But for the grace of God, there go I!
The Whites are in denial. Denial of Gods Word. Time will tell if Hawkins has been part of the problem. They all need to repent and deny the flesh and give back to the poor. She’s going to have a hard time getting all of her property through the eye of a needle. I pity their blind followers and pray that they will soon have their eyes and ears opened to the truth.
I’m resisting any TBN jokes right now – but in all seriousness, men and women in ministry better humble themselves before God and pray like never before (talking to me as well). Pride is what is destroying these people – the feeling of being untouchable, “God’s anointed” man of the hour is one of the last sign posts before the fall comes.
I’m strongly thinking of taking the advice of Rev. Steve Hill in order to keep pride at bay – crawl on my hands and knees to the pulpit.
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Eric,
Amen Brother, These two tragic events in space of one week involving two very high profile supposedly Christian Couples and leaders is just staggering.
I am also equally stunned at the number of people who say well we all must forgive them becasue God forgives them!
Where does this come from? It has nothing to do with not forgiving!
It has to do with two people who claim to represent God conducting themselves like the most carnal of people!
Christian Leaders by their very name are supposed to lead, which means they are to be an example to the rest of us.
If two internationally known supposed Godly leaders cannot even understand that as Godly leaders they just dont decide to split up!
As this reveals the true state of their hearts! They are not hearts sold out to God! As if they were they would understand that the will and desire of God is that two people remain married. And if we are sold out to God we no longer lived to selfish flesh but to the spirit!
How can Paula White be a “Life Coach” A Minister of the Gospel to others if she cannot even conquer her own flesh? how can she show people how to live in the Spirit if even she cannot?
This is just tragic and what is more horrible is people do not see what the deeper meaning of this sotry is and only see it as “pointing out others failings”
These are indeed the times that Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:12 “And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.”
these people have iniquity in their heart!
unbelievable! Lord have mercy on us all!
It’s Now True
In my blog post Turmoil, Trouble, or Tsunami In Tampa,I bought up a serious question when I asked this hard question:
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This is the couple who invited the strip club king of Tampa, Joe Redner, to speak in their pulpit on Sunday morning last summer. He was running for city council, and trying to drum up votes. This is the couple who also still has an infomercial running selling green-lipped mussel extract. It runs here on CTN quite frequently.
Editor wrote: “For two people who actually call themselves not only professing Christians but also Christian leaders who have so much impact on so many people to think they can just get a divorce and go on with their ministry is mind boggling!”
REPLY: Let not your mind be boggled—probability is the lost supporters of these two will support them even more…and the Whites will use/spin their divorce to bring in new followers… because of “sharing” their new recent pain….you know like Paula White has over-used her having grown up in a trailer and alleged abused background to ‘relate’ to the common folks…
This is more than ridiculous. It is time for these preachers to surrender their lives totally to God. Many have used and abused God’s blessings (so call prosperity preachers). It seemed to me like people worship these people more than they worship the true living God. Remember, we are in the last days. Every hidden secrets will be revealed.
I don’t follow the ministries of many Christian “celebrities” so I’m not really informed about what the White’s teach, etc. My gut reaction to this is, why are they continuing to live their lives in a manner that obviously led to their marital breakup? From some of what I’ve read (here and elsewhere), it sounds like they don’t hate each and their split is fairly friendly. They just seem to think their “ministries” are more important than their marriage. Keep the ministries going but chuck the marriage? Wow. I think they should take their marital problems as a sign that their ministries are out-of-whack. My personal perspective is that as married Christians, our first ministry is to our families. If we’re not meeting the needs of our spouse and children, what do we think we have to offer the world and the Church at large?
Marriage is supposed to be a picture of Christ and the Church. Should the Church say to her husband, Jesus, “I’m sorry … my ministry takes priority over my relationship with You. I still care deeply about You, but I have other priorities and our relationship just sort of gets in the way.”
Wait … now that I think about it, isn’t that sort of a good description of what’s happening in the Church today? People are so concerned with building ministries and growing churches, that they’ve left off preaching the unadulterated Word of God in the name of purpose and “effectiveness” and numerical growth (and at the expense of Truth and Christian maturity and discipleship).
Right on! My sentiments exaclty! Their outlook is indeed frightening but even moreso are the blind at large that refuse to exercise good judgment in fear of judging, tossing out scripture reference out of context–“Touch not Mine anointed and judge not that ye not be judged.” Ridiculous, the best I understand it, we, as christians are not to judge the world, but each other! Furthermore when judging becomes necessary (and it will because…to every matter there is a season, a time for everything…) the prerequisite is simply, don’t judge prematurely, these things wouldn’t reach catastropic proportions were this allowed and practiced. All public servants should be held accountable to the people. If they were trustworthy ministers to begin with they would surround themselves with people that would tell them caution, reprimand and flat out dismiss them for insuboadination, not flatter them and yes their every move. Sick of it, just sick of the deception, sheer ignorance and ouright stupidity of it all. Come quickly Lord Jesus.
I don’t know their circumstances, but I pray for the sake of their own lives, and the testimony of the Gospel, that they repent and allow God to heal their marriage, but in general the spirit of this age seems to be all about the here and now, not avoiding the wrath to come and living for eternity.
In practice, the first husband (Rom. 7) is very much alive and well, resurrected by our new theologies, and very much up and about “being as God” without the cross. How sad that the success of a ministry, its popularity is a criteria for how successful and “anointed” it is. Woe when they speak well of you, for so they praised the false prophets of old.
Success should be fruit of the spirit, and in particular the peace that passes all understanding, not the understandable peace that comes because our techniques of prosperity have laid up material security for us. With manifestations such as these it is no wonder there is little healing miracles taking place, we are creating our own miracles by the arm of the flesh.
I have attended WWIC for the past 4 years, and to no suprise the decision of divorce sent shock waves through me. Disappointment, sadness, and betrayal are words of understatement for me. The Thursday service that the Whites made the announcement at, by far generates the smallest crowd of the week vs. the 9, 11am, and 6 pm Sunday services. This left many members like myself, who attend every Sunday, to hear the announcement first via the news wire.
With this weighing heavily on my mind, I anticipated a heart to heart announcement by the two this Sunday. However, during the service, nobody addressed the situation, Paula wasn’t even there (what a suprise), and there was a guest speaker talking about how to become a better businessman. I was starring at a giant white (no pun intended) elephant on the stage the whole service and everybody ignored it.
I have learned and grown under these two exponentially over the past 4 years, and to watch them desecrate their own messages of leadership, overcoming, and perseverance absolutely breaks my heart in two.
I, along with many other faithful members were praying and seeking for a glimmer of hope this past Sunday with a “state of address” speech from our Pastors. Instead, my grieving spirit was left fractured as the pulpit offered no apologies, no answers, and no repentance.
I have just witnessed first hand how a Pastor’s marriage can be corrupted by their worldly careers. What a shame.
This is a crying shame!!!! My thoughts are that instead of being outraged about this we as Christians need to step up and help them in their time of need. You all know that they have helped you in the past and now that their struggling everyonr just wants to throw them to the curb! This is where we step in and show them who JESUS really is. They may be big in the christian world, but they are still human!!! Remember for ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). Jesus said “He who is without sin throw the first stone.” (John 8:7) People ya’ll need to read the Bible this is how Jesus taught. WE NEED TO PRAY (NOT PREY) ON THE WHITES!!!
Ronnie,
I think the one’s we need to step up and help and pray for are those poor souls who attend WWIC and who have had their faith and trust in Christian leadership pretty much destroyed.
The Abomination that are known as the Whites, “Bishop” White and the “Life Coach” Paula White know exactly what they are doing, you obviously don’t know their history.
Your home and marriage are Christanity lesson 101, If two people who are in Christian leadership cannot maintain their marriage as Christians then they cannot be Christian Spiritual leaders for anyone!
“Life Coach” Paula White should have never been off galavanting with her own Jezebel ministry and cavorting with a Father and Son “ministry in San Antonio! Her place was to ensure that her home and marriage came right after God, Any Christian Service comes after those three!
Tell me what is she going to teach other Christians now? Is she going to write a best seller on how to have an amicable “Christian” Divorce?
The manner in which The Whites announced their divorce was a slap in the face to God and Christian Ldearship and should be a very clear sign to all those but the fatally blind and deaf that there is somehting very seriously amiss in their lives. and when there is something this seriously amiss in their lives, if they were true followers of Jesus they would know that they need to step down from leadership. But being the Wolves that they are they want to hang on to their money maker “ministries” at all costs at the cost of the faith.
They are ravening wolves, pray for the sheep they have slaughtered!
I’m not condoning the divorce by any means, but they need Jesus in a major way!!! The divorce isn’t final yet. God is the God of second chances and my prayer is that they will see the big picture and what it is doing to them their ministry and the christian world as a whole. Of coarse its easy for everyone to get mad, but God is a restoring God. I however don’t think they should continue doing what they’re doing now. We need to pray for the people its affecting and also for The White’s! Remember Christianity is about forgiving!!! While we were still sinners Christ died. Thats Christianity. Everyone who reads this letter I challenge you to listen to a song by a guy named Jason Upton its called Dying Star. Thats what the White’s are going through right now. We much prevail through this. This is in Gods hands and we need to pray for everyone involved and let God be who He is… GOD!!!!!
Yes but the problem in our “Rock Star” Christian “Celebrity Preacher” World, the glam addicts have become accustomed to being forgiven for far too much and too often with out any real and radical repentence on their part.
Sure they will spill the tears on TV. But most of the time their tears are nothing more than tears of getting caught and please let me keep my lear jet, my six fugure honorariums, my book deals and my weekly spot on TBN!
The Whites have fallen in the trap that most of the other big time Celebrity “Men of Gawd” and “Women of Gawd” and that is they love the money and the Fame! They have pierced themselves through with it, and the only cure to their addiction is to either voluntarily give up the addiction, or be forced to give it up cold turkey!
All the apostles knew that they had to be anonymous, they could not give in to personal fame, they could not give in to the personality cult or the power of the Holy Spirit would desert them. the Power of the Holy Spirit and of God is in those who crucify their flesh, die to self, and become anonymous for God. The kind of People who when people see them they do not see the person, but they see beyond them to Jesus Christ!
Read this:
https://truediscernment.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/time-for-a-pop-quiz/
This is how true Christian Leaders are supposed to be.
Yes I will pray for them, that God will do whatever it takes in their lives to bring them to TRUE repentence.
I agree 100% This has shattered the Christian World. I used to go to a big church in Gainesville, GA and I know what its like to be around TV preachers. If they (The Whites) are true Chrsitian leaders God WILL humble them through this!!!
No one should cast the first stone unless they are without sin themself. We should all pray and ask God to protect them from any and all curses.
Did anyone ever consider that these two might not have been destined by God in the first place to marry? There is an old saying that goes,whatever God ordains, He maintains.
These recent developments with two of our World’s most notable Christian couples has deeply sadened me. I sit and wonder about the thoughts of their spirital Father, T.D. Jakes.
Notarity and success doesn’t have to affect your marriage, as long as everthing is in it’s proper place. God…Marriage/Home…Ministry.
I am too a sheep and If my Pastor and his wife agreed to divorce amicably, I would feel like a child whose parents decided to disrupt the home with a divorce, without any reason. We are suppose to pray for all, but my deepest compassions are for their sheep, who didn’t look at them as their famous tv evangelist pastors, but their spiritual parents.
Despite who your leaders are…….GET TO KNOW GOD AND HIS WORD, THE GOOD NEWS OF THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST FOR YOURSELVES!!!!
Jesus Christ, not your pastors, must be the solid foundation on which you build.
To Dani,
If God had not wanted Paula and Randy White to be married he would have ensured that they never met.
God is “Omniscient” or all Knowing. Which means he has foreknowledge. And can see the ending from the beginning.
God sancitifes marriage as it is an earthly reflection of the Godhead.
God ordained and meant them to be married, we know that because they did indeed marry, however The Whites made the choice to divorce which is against the express wishes of God.
God does not allow any burden on any Christian that is more than they can bear.
To Edison.
What everyone should be praying for is that they find repentence, whatever it takes for them to repent! you are assuming that these people are ok.
They are not, They have turned away from relying on God and have instead turned to relying on their worldy riches.
This is why Jesus said:
Luke 18:24-25
“How hard it is for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of God! For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
It is hard for a Rich man to enter heaven because great wealth can have such a corrupting influence that it causes many who have it to put their trust in their wealth and not God. They rest in their wealth, and for most when the choice comes down to retaining their earthly wealth or following what Jesus wants, they will not give up their wealth.
Randy and Paula White long ago turned away from What God wanted and instead followed what their wealth wanted.
To Count it all Joy,
I would not consider the Weeks or the Whites as “two of our World’s most notable Christian couples”
This is the problem today in the “Pop Star” world of Media driven False Christianity the impression that these people are actual Christians, and notable ones to boot!
They have shown by their rotten fruit over the last few years that they are neither notable nor Christian, and that is not just based on this story.
I am amazed at how many experts on Marriage there are out there. Yes as Christians we should live close to God, hear his voice and step when and where he says. However, as christians we are not put on this earth to judge other people. WE DEFINATELY DO NOT KNOW WHAT WE WILL DO UNTIL WE WALK IN ANOTHER MAN’S SHOES..JUDGE NOT LESS YE BE JUDGED I BELIEVE IS WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS. Also, where is it stated that christians or christian leaders should not make good livings. No, it should never be in Pride or wrongly taken, but wealth isn’t a SIN..Come on people, WE ARE NOT GOD!
To Kim,
You miss the point. As I said before, God does not ask of us to do anything that is beyond our ability to do.
Marriage is not something that is a burden in a Christian life, Neither can it be considered secondary to a person’s Christian Ministry. It is actually placed above a person’s Christian Ministry.
If a person cannot maintain a marriage they are not fit for Christian Leadership. You want to try and fit today’s lifestyles and values into Christianity, You cannot do that.
If a “Christian” couple cannot maintain their marriage due to their separate commitments of their separate “ministries” this is a very clear sign that these two people do not understand even the basic fundamentals of the Christian faith. It shows that they live to the flesh and not to the Spirit. As if they lived to the Spirit they would very clearly desire to remain together, as that is what the Spirit of God desires. It shows that they have chosen their own individual selfish fleshly desires over God’s Desires. This very clearly shows they are not Christian Leaders in the true Biblical sense, but only leaders in a secular worldly view.
True Christian Leaders are one’s who show that they live according to the Spiritual Biblical definition of a Christian Leader:
1 Timothy 3:1-7
This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?); not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
Paul did not write this as some unattainable goal. This was to be the norm. But today the Chruch has become so corrupt that many look at these verses as requirements that can only be met by the most saintly of Christians. And this is a false view. If we have the Holy Spirit truly dwelling within us, these verses are supposed to be our utmost desire not a requirement we have to try and adhere to. so it is not judgmental to say that the divorce of The Whites is a very serious thing and people need to understand that for these two people to go through with this very clearly shows that they do not desire to live as God asks them to live therefore they cannot be considered True Christian leaders. The only reason they can do what they are doing is because it is tolerated. People are judging this with their fleshly feelings and not with spiritual discernment. And so the Church slides further into apostasy and further away from God.
And no one said Christian Leaders should not make a good living. However it is very clear that The Whites have wanted to make too good of a lving and that this desire for wealth has very clearly detrimentally affected their judgment.
Dani, Just because we marry someone doesn’t mean it is God’s will. Remarriage is wrong unless the divorce was on biblical grounds. Divorce and remarriage is rampant in the Body of Christ………the divorce rate is higher in the church then in the world. How sad is that? Now, more children are being born out of wedlock then in wedlock. How sad is that? The American Church is in sad shape.
I went to the church and found the world. I went to the world and found the church. What a testimony! The leaders are setting the example.
You don’t play with God like you are playing with your dogs ,you don’t serve God by your own undestinding , there is God’s law and human’s laws ,and you don’t serve God in mess he is a holy God , we have to honor our God in every thing no matter what we face and we don’t put money before God. and all of this 85% is about money ,where are we going with money? to miss haven because of durty money I think we should pray for this people so God can open their eyes to see what is a head ,there are blinded with fame and money.
when randy had joe redner the strip club king at his church to speak [a known athiest]
had a x porn queen for his personal trainer
had a float in the gay parade
mix none christian bands with christian on easter
who would you say influenced who?
to dance with the devil you will have to pay a price?
He must be calling in for payment..
Dear Editor,
I can’t argue the facts you mentioned about in 1 Timothy, but there is just 1 thing I want to know about you Mr. Editor. Have you ever screwed up bad since you’ve been saved? Simpally a yes or a no will work for that question; if yes you’re a hipocrite and if no you’re a liar. I’m not saying its right I personally think that Paula needs to stop her ministry for now and get her marriage straight. I do think they need to get their priorities in order. And for Juanita I have no idea why your attacking her. She was beat up! Again I’m not condoning divorce at all, but in some cases it must be done. In the Whites case I do think its wrong, but I’m not going to kick them while they’re down!
Ronnie,
Let me see have I hired an ex-porn queen as a personal trainer since I have been saved. Have I invited an atheist strip club king into my home to speak to my family, Did I cheat an aged lady out of her money and her home, did I make promises to poor people that I had no intention of keeping until I was exposed for my fraud and only made it good because I was forced to by being exposed etc etc, no I have not done anything even remotely close to that.
I suggest sir that you get down off of your horse of blind indignation and learn how to recognize false Christians! No one is kicking them while they are down, as far as I can see they are not down, they are pro$pering quite well through all of this. There is a very big difference between unintentional mistakes that sometimes cause us to fall, and willful premediatted continuous sin! These two people are not two innocent fervent Christians who just made an unintentional mistake and have fallen, and who then should be shown mercy and empathy for what they are going through,. These are people who have shown a consistent patterrn of willful and continuous sin. And this divorce and the manner in which they have carried it out reflects that continuous pattern of willful and purposeful sin. And to boot they shown no sign or desire to change that pattern. On the contrary they choose to increase that pattern by this divorce!
The problem is that many American Christians have come to equate empathy for a person’s felt needs, no matter what that person has done and the damage they have done as somehow typifying what a “True Christian” is.
This is a modern secular Hollywood induced deception. As Christians we empathize with those Christians who have fallen but who desire to correct their weaknesses that caused them to fall. The Whites choose to chuck the parts of their lives that would correct those weaknesses and instead choose to pursue those carnal things that only increase their weaknesses. This is a choice they have made. They have chosen to spit in the eye of repentence and God’s Grace. And this is what needs to be pointed out. Because as internationally known and visible “Leaders” they are setting a trend that far too many “lesser” known Christians will follow.
As Leaders they should know this, but they are showing they have no regard for those who they influence and for this they are ravening wolves!
As far as Juanita Bynum, if you would research what she and her husband have been doing to pollute the name of God for the last few years you would see that what is going on with her and her husband is the fruit of that. This does not in any way say that she deserved what she got. But when you choose to pollute God’s name in the way that she and her husband have, you remove God’s protection from your life.
I pray that God’s will be done in both of their lives even if it means that they have to lose EVERYTHING, in order to gain Christ again!
Necshava,
Amen, I thnk we all can agree that they gain Christ again no matter the “cost”
God Bless
Editor,
Is it not written to love the unlovable. Does God not still love them? I hope God humbles them in due time and blesses them 100 fold. If you’ve never let pride come before God I will fly out to you myself and bow at your feet because you are the only other person (other than Jesus) to have never done that. With as much as they have done to themselves you are just adding to it. Humble yourself before God and check your motives. I know I’m not perfect and that I have sent somebody astray. You need to check your motives. THEY HAVE MAJORLY SCREWED UP NOW LEAVE IT ALONE!
Necshava,
If thats what it takes so be it, but I hope not!
Editor,
While you’re condemning TV pators what do you think about Jentezen Franklin
Ronnie,
You are choosing to put blinders on or maybe it seems you think it is part of a normal Chrsitian life to continually willfully sin and much worse to do that as a Christian leader, it is not.
All of us get humbled every once in a while, we have to be humbled by God frequently because as long as we are in a “tent” of sinful flesh we will be susceptible to fall.
But that is why we are to do as God’s word tells us to do:
Ephesians 6:10-18:
Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness, and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God; praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints
This is to be our desire. Not a requirement. With the Whites they have shown and continue to show that this is not their desire. Their desire is to follow the flesh. They are choosing not to be humbled, they outwardly reject being humbled before God and to do those things that will keep them from falling.
Now you seem to have a problem with that. you seem to think that there is no place for anyone to stand up and say, wait a minute what these people are doing is wrong and is nt of God, and they choose to continue to do that which is wrong and is not of God.
I have to tell you that your view is wrong and whats worse it is unBiblical. Again you define words like Love, Humility etc via modern secular Anti-God defintions, not via the unchanging Biblical defintions that God gives us.
In all cases if a person falls as a leader they should step down, and we should all pray and hope that they can be restored through reprentence. This is Biblical.
However it is also very Biblical as well that if a person falls while a leader and then refuses to repent but insists on continuing in their unrepetence and also insists on remaining a leader in their unrepetence then they show that they are not of God and should be marked and avoided.
Now what does it mean to repent? Does that mean someone says they are sorry? that is part of it but true repentence is an about face, it is a turning away from that which causes them to fall and a determination not to return to it.
Have you seen or heard The Whites stating that they intend to turn away from that lifestyle which made them fall? Do they recognize that the life they are living is what is causing them to fall? No you do not, instead you seem them saying they will continue in their life as it is and to do away with those things that could help bring them to repentence.
Ronnie,
Again according to your ideology, no one should stand up and say when there are leaders who continually choose to continue to do that which is wrong and in opposition to God’s Word which they are entrusted to uphold and reflect as leaders.
You also seem to be stuck in a rut of thinking that this article is about condemnation. It is not.
This article is not just about their divorce, it is about what they have said about their reasons for getting a divorce and what they intend to do after it, and how they view marriage in relationship to their “ministries”. this article is a warning to all Christians that what these people are saying and doing is against some of the very foundations of the Christian Faith. And when two people who are as well known as these two as “Christian leaders” say such things then they are very clearly showing that they are not of God. Did you hear them once say, we have prayed about this? No!
Now if you cannot understand the very dark and disturbing implications in what they are saying and doing then I would very firmly say to you, that you are the one that needs to seek God and check your motives as they are not of God, and they do not line up with his word.
This Hawkins character is a little scary – He cites Carlton Pearson as his mentor – eeek – I’m guessing from the article that it’s pretty obvious Paula is having an affair with him??
http://www.fpc.us/Bishop_Rick_Hawkins.php
editor
I am glad that things are being shaken and phonies are being exposed..tolerance is the American foundation now days ,not the word of our Lord…he gives instruction on how to treat those who call themselves christians and yet belong to the synagogue of satan…I really know we are in the times that a FORM of godliness is all around and the power is denied….the power that raised Jesus lives inside of and he died so we can be more than conquers and over come death and provides a way out of temptation…that is the one I serve …..a mighty powerful while Holy God.
Eric,
Yes I didnt even get into that. I mean even the appearance of what seemes to be going on here, has a real bad smell to it!
I checked out “Bishop” Rick Hawkins web site and that did ring some bells about Carlton Pearson.
It all seems to fit together. Pearson believes and teaches Universal Salvation, Paula White seems to be transforming herself into a “Life Coach” which seems to appeal more to a secularized self esteem / Robert Schueller/ Rick Warren type of message.
Can you see where all this is going? The False Church!
Editor,
Please read everything I wrote last time. I said that I think that Paula should step down and you don’t seem to notice anything but the bad. To me you are like the Pharasees you seem to be stuck under the law and not the grace of God. Again I think what they’ve done as Christian Leaders “” as you would put it, but I’m choosing forgiveness over condemnation. They will not continue doing what their doing like they’ve been doing it. By the way whats your real name I’ve told you mine you seem to be hiding something.
This “couple” hasn’t been a true couple in the longest. Their focus has not been on the Almighty, but on the almighty dollar! Folks, it should be obvious that they are not good examples of christian leadership or values. Don’t be fooled! The Editor said it well; “Your home and marriage are Christanity lesson 101, If two people who are in Christian leadership cannot maintain their marriage as Christians, then they cannot be Christian Spiritual leaders for anyone!” It was also said earlier; Marriage is supposed to be a picture of Christ and the Church. Should the Church say to her husband, Jesus, “I’m sorry … my ministry takes priority over my relationship with You. I still care deeply about You, but I have other priorities and our relationship just sort of gets in the way.”
It’s time for sincere, spirit-filled “without wall” church members (the “groupies” will always stick around) to high tail it out of there. There are plenty of good Bible-based churches to find in the greater Tampa area. Idlewild Baptist, Tampa Bay Tabernacle and Grace Family Church are just a few which come to mind.
Remember that “the church” is not just the leadership. It is also the people and it’s time for the good people of without walls international to find themselves a new home.
Ronnie,
My name is John, now I am not sure where you are getting the misguided impression that I do not forgive The Whites. The issue here is not about forgiveness.
I have described to you the attributes that true Christian Leaders are supposed to display. This is called their fruit. And by their fruit you will know who their spiritual father is: either God or the Devil:
Matthew 7:15-27
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
I Never Knew You
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Build on the Rock
“Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.
“But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its
These are the words of Jesus. Now Jesus said to beware, this means to be on guard and watchful. Now how are we to beware and watchful if we are not to alert people to leaders who are displyaing rotten fruit which means they are false Prophets, which means they never were of God? This is not unforgiveness, nor is it being stuck under a Law.
The law you speak of I assume means the Jewish Law. This was an outward law, and it was instituted to limit evil. When Jesus came he did not abolish the law, he fulfilled the law. We as Christians are not supposed to need an outward law to limit our wickedness as our desire if we are trully born again is to have the law written upon our hearts. when something is written on our hearts it means the desire of our heart is to live as God wants us to live.
Now again you are using words that have no place in this conversation.
1. We are not talking about not forgving
2. We are not condemning
We are talking about the attiributes that God’s Word said you can use to discern whether a leader is a true child of God or not. And how the attributes displayed by The Whites show that they are not of God.
And lastly you have said: “They will not continue doing what their doing like they’ve been doing it.”
But they are continuing doing what they have been doing, and that is the whole point of this article and this is the proof that they are not of God. As if they were, they would not only step down but they would publicly repent of what they have done and continue to do.
Do you really think God is going to bless and honor their separate “ministries” after they are divorced. Do you really think God will bless and honor Paula White if indeed she was having and continues to see this “Rick Hawkins”?
Not to mention her increasingly secular type message and “ministry”. And further not to mention that this “Rick Hawkins” counts Carlton Pearson as a mentor! the same Carlton Pearson who teaches Universal Salvation, that you dont have to accept Jesus Christ as your savior. That Jesus died for the whole world as they are!
John,
Listen I’m not the best christian on earth, but I do know some things about christianity. I see that you know your stuff and I can’t keep on debating with you; even though I enjoy it. The bottom line is that they are wrong for getting a divorce under the circumstances that they are, however those who keep shoving it in their faces are just as wrong in a different sense. Weather your opinion differs from mine or not God still loves them unconditionally! I do believe that they ARE deffinately Christians, but Christians that have majorly messed their lives and the lives of others. I will end with this, why would the devil mess with them if they are his children. I don’t think that they’ll continue with their ministries like they have been. The devil may have won this battle, but the war has just begun. John, God Bless You my brother and my friend! EVERYONE WHO READS THIS INSTEAD OF CRUCIFYING THE WHITES JUST PRAY FOR THEM IN WHATEVER MANNER THAT MAY MEAN FOR YOU. I URGE ALL OF YOU TO STOP VOICING OUR OPINIONS ON HOW BAD THIS SITUATION IS… WE ALL KNOW HOW BAD IT REALLY IS!!
NOW ITS TIME TO START PRAYING
GOD BLESS
Ronnie,
God bless you and thank you for your comments and contribution to this thread.
I have no doubt that your heart is sincere, but I will say this as a concerned brother in Christ. Be very careful about relying on how you feel separate from the word.
Read God’s Word and become wise in it. the best way to discern the spirit of God’s word and its eternal wisdom which will give you spiritual eyes is to not read God’s Word with an intent to validate a personal point of view.
Pray to God before you read his word and ask him to reveal his word to your heart as he see’s fit.
In this way he will reveal his word to you in such a way that you will over time progress with an understanding of the basic truths to the more deeper truths.
In this day with the sheer weight of deceptions, all Christians need to be deep in the word and to rely on it alone for direction.
God Bless you and yes lets all pray!
The editor laid out the qualifications for a bishop (overseer) of a church. Neither the Whites, nor the Weeks fall within those guidelines. Before either couple ever started in the church business together, they were not living in the truth. Here’s a few verses often overlooked – “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law. ” 1 Cor. 14:34, “… also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.” 1 Tim. 2:9-12 Ms. White, Ms. Bynum, sit down, be quiet, and repent. Go back to your original husbands, or remain unmarried. That is a command of the Lord – see 1 Cor. 7:10-11.
I am deeply saddened by the news. I am sad for both Paula and Randy and most of all for the body of Christ. Both of the Whites are hurting; divorce is a very traumatic event. Divorce causes a soul wound that only God can heal. And this healing process takes time. Unfortunately, both parties are going to continue to minister. I doubt that either will minister at their fullest potential because they are so wounded. Ministry come out of your “being” it is the very substance of who you are. And Wounded people hurt other people. Both ministers are high profile so it will be very difficult for them to manage their emotions if they are constantly in the spot light and scrutinized by the Church and the public. Due to both parties being high profile, continued ministry could be a set up for emotional breakdown because the potential to stuff emotionss of hurts, anger, rage and bitterness due to the divorce are great will only cause and explosion or breakdown later.
I really believe that both of the Whites are Generals in God’s army who are wounded and need to be restored. I would like to see both parties remove themselves from ministry and allow God to minister and restore them. Then after some time, return to ministry emotionally whole.
I will be praying for both of the Whites. I pray that the body of Christ will cover them in prayer and not persecute them. We should not mess with God’s anointed.
Michele,
Please show me via God’s Word how The White’s qualify as “Generals in God’s army”?
I am constantly baffled how people can believe that their feelings about the Whites are actually what determines whether they are “Generals in God’s army”?
The only measure you can use to determine whether a person qualifies as a leader or “General” in God’s army is via his word.
And God is very clear on the attributes of those who are True Christian Leaders, those who do as he says:
John 14:15-17
Jesus said to his disciples:
If you love me, you will do as I command. Then I will ask the Father to send you the Holy Spirit who will help you and always be with you. The Spirit will show you what is true.
Faith
Editor, I thank God for the truth that was spoken by you. It seem knowone want to follow the Word of God any more. Peoples feelings are placed above the Word. Repentance is a must when we have gone against the Word of God. 1 John reminds us that if we confess our faults to God, He is faith and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness. The Whites are in violation of what Jesus tought. Jesus said if you were going to follow after Him, you must deny yourself. Many christians are unwilling to deny themself. They don’t ask for guidance from Holy Spirit. Only the Word of God can set you free. You can not base the Word of God on feelings, If so you will never find the truth of God. We must keep referring people to the Word of God. The Word uncovers All sin. Read Hebrews 13:7
Michele,that statement about not to mess with the anointed is typical for cultish power and control.David did not want to take Sauls life..but he did talk about him and his other enemies,the psalms is full of him speaking out for others to read to this day.We are not condemned or cursed for assessing a situation and discerning if it of God or not..that statement is widely used among APOSTLIC MINISTRIES as mind control.The church i came from you are not even allowed to question anything..even if someone in leadership got arrested..instead of being a shepard he became the King to be served and have body guards around him..i thouhgt the shepards lay thier life down for the sheep…not the sheep laying down thier life for the shepard…this is backwards..i do not think Jesus or the apostles had body guards..We are only suppose to bond servants to Christ not man,money, power ,or a organization,i pray for the people of that church my x pastor is freinds with Randy and the style is the same..there was a bulliten INVEST IN YOUR HEAVENLLY ETERNITY…i did not know money invested in heaven…
This message is for those who need proof of the false doctrine that the Weeks and the Whites preach. I encourage you to google Paula White or the prosperity gospel. Juanita Bynum or their husbands names and see what you come up with.
I agree with the Editor, the truth be known God’s word is infalable. If we as believers’ are using spiritual discerment being led of the Holy Spirit, how can we draw such erroneous conclusions. The next time TBN holds one of their Praise-athon fundraisers you need to tune in and listen to some of the rIdiculous promises Paula and Juanita make misusing the Word of God. Actually twisting and taking God’s word out of context.
Jesus taught His disciples as stated in Mat 7:13 ¶ Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
We as believers should heed this warning from our Lord and Redeemer.
Just during the most recent TBN Praise-athon Paula was telling people to sow a seed of $66.12 according to Psalm 66:12. Where do these false teachings come from. If you need to here it with your own ears go to oneplace.com and listen to monday’s broadcast of the bible answerman. Where some one calls in with a question concerning Paula White and the false Prosperity Gospel (Give to Get or Name it Claim it) Wake-up brothers and sisters. And stop supporting these televangelists who are knowingly leading people astray. “It’s all about the money in this land of milk and honey.”
But there were also false prophets among the people, even as
there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in
destructive heresies, . . .
The apostle Peter, 1st century AD, 2 Peter 2:1
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine,
but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears,
they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their
ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. (2
Timothy 4:3-4)
These verses are clear concerning false teachers and their doctrine.
And concerning the divorce the bible is clear Yhwh, Elohim, El Shadia, God Almighty hates divorce according to Mal. 2: 16. Does not God tell us the two become on flesh in Genesis 2: 24 “Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and shall become united and cleave to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.”
When we are walking in love just as God is Love we can always seek reconciliation and to forgive others. Its not about what “I” want. but we are to servants one to another as brothers and sisters in Christ. When we read the Epistles the apostles refered themselves as bondservants of Christ our Lord. Does anyone know what a bondservant was during the time of Christ?
So when the leadership in the the church does not apply the Word to their daily lives we should look for real leadership which exlemplifies the character of Christ in us. As stated in Colossians 1: 26-28.
Your brother in Christ.
They have to live with their decision because we can say all we want to say about the word but when it hits your household u can or cannot say what u will and won’t do.God doesn’t like divorce nor confusion and if counseling isn’t helping them or maybe they don’t want to try (don’t know) they have to live with their decision. They are human and apparently made some bad choices.
Tee,
your thinking in the flesh and sadly discounting the importance of following God’s word, and also What Jesus said about the place the Holy Spirit has in a Christians life. and How the Holy Spirit helps us to do what we cannot do of our own accord.
Yes The Whites may have went to counseling but it sounds like their counseling was like their message: a Secular influenced one that does not recognize the place that the Holy Spirit has in a believers life.
If you heart is in the right place, meaning if your heart desires to do what God asks you to do, then the holy Spirit will also be there to assist you to do what you may not be ale to do on your own.
What is not readily apparent to many such as yourself is that it is obvious that both Randy and Paula’s hearts did not have a desire to do what God would want them to do. And that is all they needed to have. They didnt have to be able to on their own keep their maariage together, they just had to have the desire, and God would have done the rest.
This is a Biblical Truth that is being lost in today’s shallow Church and Christian life. We dont have to be perfect. we just have to have the desire to please God, and God does the rest!
Where your desire is, there you heart will be also!
I just heard about the pending White divorce; I am saddened and very disappointed by their alleged actions.
I have greatly appreciated Paula’s teachings and have seen results in my life that have drawn me closer to God. I attended the August Life by Design conference in NYC.
Paula has recently had powerful men on her show; I always wondered why Randy – her husband, shepherd, bishop and head of her household, was never a guest on her show (at least I’ve never seem him). I also wondered why her outward appearance was one of show – she always dresses up and shows her body and shape as opposed to dressing down and more conservative.
I was, up to today, a covenant partner of Paula’s – I have made a decision not to support her ministry any more – we have to cast our vote not only with the ballot but with our dollars. We, believers on Christ Jesus, have to take a stand for God and do what is right in His sight. God will deal with Paula and Randy but it is up to us, who support them financially to let them know that their behavior as “Christian leaders” is unacceptable and will not be tolerated. We have to say “NO!” If the love of money puffed them up; the lack of money will deflate them and take them to the throne of God in a hurry.
I didn’t read anything close to repentance or crying out to God from either of them.
I, like some of you, pray that God lead them into true repentance – at any cost, so they are a public example of what happens when you make money your God and act in disrespect and disobedience to God’s Word (I know this is harsh but the congregation at WWIC and faithful supporters for Paula Today witnessed the greed and should also witness the chastening).
I will pray for them but I cannot support what seems to be a choice of convenience, wealth and worldly desires over God’s Will – which we know is family first.
Someone, I believe it was Editor, mentioned the Jezebel spirit. I agree with you, it seems as though Paula forsook her family for her own fame and fortune.
Let’s be compassionate, prayerful and forgiving; let’s also use wisdom and not be lead astray by our emotions or feelings.
Take care and God Bless!
This is a scandle! First Juanita Bynum and now this! It sounds like both the Whites were out having an affair or couldn’t wait to get a divorce to do so. Both sound like they have their eye on someone already. Oh well, they are just humans that can preach. They stole all of that money from those innocent poor black people. What a shame? I bet the church will not last. Randy’s heart is not in it. They have gone hollywood.
I wonder if TD Jakes does some of these things behind closed doors. I wonder if he and his wife are having marital problems.
Well since TD Jakes has already denied in public that Jesus is the only way to Heaven, and the fact that he is a Oneness Pentecostal, it would not suprise me.
Praise the Lord! As Christians or believers in God through Christ Jesus we have to take a stand about situations that are before us. Let’s not speculate or start rumors on other ministers/preachers.
The Word tells us to be hot or cold but not luke warm. We are either for God or against Him! Yeast in the dough cannot be contained to just one loaf; it infects and has an affect on the whole – which means you and me. Randy and Paula’s actions are no different than those in the world (we are supposed to separated and set apart for God’s use and purpose).
They announce their pending divorce and plan to continue as if nothing happened (God can change their hearts towards each other and they can be reconciled).
It’s about how you live; not just what you teach or preach. Randy, who is supposed to be a Bishop, should not be welcomed in anyone’s pulpit – including the pulpit at WWIC. Paula should not have the opportunity to continue with with Paula Today or be supported in her Empowerment Conferences or anywhere where the people of God gather and can be influenced.
How do we as believers show Randy & Paula and Thomas & Juanita that their perverted christianity is not welcomed and will not be tolerated any longer?
They appear to be wolves in sheeps clothing – preying on the body of Christ to fulfil their ungodly lusts and desires – their actions are sinful!
Have a great day and God Bless!
I am sicken again,on tv this morning..”the month of atoinment September,” said Paula White.
She went into a make shift inner court and want
$207.00 or $2007.oo per child or per request for a offering ….THIS IS PROSTITION OF GOD”S WORD..
enough is enough…i think about the poor souls that are lost and hopeless sitting at home and hear her lies and try to pay for a blessing…the offering was and has been made for us JESUS…I ask everyone to pray for those who are being decieved to been pulled out away form her spell [Rebellion is as witchcraft]
I ask God to please stop her….
We know that Jesus was the final blood sacrifice or sin offering; and that the OT rituals and offerings were fulfilled through Him.
Those seven OT Atonement blessings she’s referring to cannot be purchased. God does not sell the anointing or blessings!!!
On another blog it was mentioned that Paula is speaking about the the process and blessings of the OT Atonement. It was suggested that instead of us sending $200 Atonement Offering we should send her a lamb, sheep or goat instead! LOL.
Have a great day!
God Bless!
“When pride comes, then comes shame. But with the humble is wisdom. The integrity of the upright will guide them, but the perversity of the unfaithful will destroy them. Riches do not profit in the day of wrath, but righteousness delivers from death. The righteousness of the blameless will make his way smooth, but the wicked will fall by his own wickedness. The righteousness of the upright will deliver them, but the unfaithful will be taken by their own lust.”
Proverbs 11:2–6…………………….
Berf,
You just summed it up with Proverbs 11:2–6! Thanks and God Bless!
This makes me so sad. What I hope and pray for the members of WWIC is that they will know that God is the only head of the church and they will not lose faith in Him due to the sin of these two people.
How can the elders of this church allow these two to stay in leadership? I have known several pastors whose wives left them and they were still asked to step down. Given that these two are divorcing with no biblical reason (adultery), than they are willfully choosing to sin and should not be in front of a congregation.
The church is being shaken up. These high profile divorces along with the fall of Pastor Ted Haggard, is God exposing those in His church as False Prophets. I pray that the church wakes up and starts to live in a way that glorifies God.
I will be praying that the Whites repent and turn to Jesus.
Michelle;
It is my hope that many WWIC members will realized they have been duped by the Whites, but I don’t anticipate an exodus from that church for several reasons:
Many are “star struck” by the supposed celebrity status of the Whites and by the “rich and famous” who have attended their church. I personally know a few members of Without Walls who “name drop” on a regular basis.
Regarding the prosperity gospel preached at WWIC, many look up to the Whites and their cohorts as credible examples to imitate and thus justify their own greedy and selfish ambitions.
Still others are attending WWIC because they feel too much time and energy has already been invested there and/or don’t want to face the reality that they have been duped. It’s like the individual who pours money into an old, unreliable car and doesn’t want to admit to themselves that they are simply throwing good money into a lost cause.
Granted, there are many good people attending (or did attend) WWIC who feel betrayed and are disillusioned, but don’t know what to do, or where to go. The Christian community must (must!) support these hurting and misguided souls – Praying that our Heavenly Father will direct them and comfort them as they seek to find new church homes.
With all the money, possessions and fame the Whites enjoy, I don’t pity (or envy) them. I honestly don’t. I can only hope that they will repent and humbly turn their lives around least on the day of judgment find themselves franticly trying to convince Jesus of their “good” works only to hear the Lord say; I never knew you!”
according to tbo forums, paula and randy met when they were both married. they committed adultery supposedly and then married each other. it was a marriage born in sin.
paula is an idolatrous. she is worshipping ministry not jesus.
while i can forgive a marriage birthed in adultery if it is repented of, i can’t sit idly by and watch the peddling of God’s word by these people and others like them. it is sin and Jesus will overturn these ministries just like he did in the temple.
sorry that is “paula is an idolater.”
on tbo forums the people are saying they aren’t even addressing the divorce in the pulpit and they are ignoring it. people are confused and upset.
there is no public repentence. it is very sad.
but jesus is overturning tables and other ministries will be next. god will not be mocked.
Thank you John (editor) for sticking to the word. Boy the devil sure gave you a run for your money, but because you stuck to the scripture, he eventually conceded. It is going to be a struggle for the church to get its corporate mind around the situation, but as in the aforementioned battle, God’s word will ultimately prevail.
The distinction you made between feelings and proper understanding of the Word is a vital point. If we the church do not get our schizophrenic feelings in check and submitted to the Word, we’ll all be lining up for the devil to numb us from the reality and responsibility that lies before us. A little prozac might take the edge off, but once the fog lifts, the fragile condition of our mental state is worsened.
There is a coven of false prohets, apostles, pastors, etc. engaged in divination, witchcraft and other sorceries to confuse the church. Paul dealt with these spirits numerous time in the NT exposing the naughtiness of their hearts without apology. In the OT Jehu not only destroyed the house of Jezebel but anyone he found along the way who supported her pseudo ministry.
I call now for the true Apostolic Church to arise in the strength of the Name of Jesus to remain strong in the power of His might and lead the people of God through this shaking. Let the GRACE of our almighty God keep us all until the day of His coming.
I think Christians need to come against the cultic spirit where man and women of God go against the bible, divorcing -remarrying divorcing and remrrying and continue leading the church , only God knows where to into .error to say the least. there is no fear of God in their eyes and they want to continue in Ministry. they shouldd sit under a ministry, repent and be restored. am tinking of the cult where thosand of believers went on to drink poison enmass. Other church leaders should really step in to protect the church of God from the developing error form dring spiritual poison which can be physical poison if future
I hope this is not true…It would be very bad if it. But I’m just wondering…Pray…Pray..Pray…I’ve seen a lot of my brethren here talking about praying…Is that all we intend to do? Please, remember that Prophet Nathan scolded King David for his shameful adultery with Bathsheba.
Elijah took on King Ahab for his atrocious coveteous behaviour against Naboth and Naboth’s vineyard…and the then Jewish heritage, besides his sheepish followership of his wife’s wickedness…
Does anyone here know Paula and Randy personally…
If you do, please don’t only pray, also let them know that they have veered off the course and gone astray
I still wish this to be untrue, but Paula in particular needs to step down. I personally think they should spend something away from the public glare, and spend sometime with the God, the John Hagees, Joyce Meyers, Rod Parsleys of our time and swallow some home truths…………..
I believe that God would restore them if they sincerely repent…BUT TO THINK THEY CAN JUST GO ON WITH THE MINISTRY IRRESPECTIVE OF THIS…That’s a bit over the edge!
They started well…But the enemy sneaked in in the night and planted weeds…
MAY GOD SHOW THEM MERCY AND RESTORE THEM!
In the last days, perilous time will come, people will be lovers of themselves , having a form of godliness , being deceived
come to think of it, this is the 2nd marriage for both of them and as far as God is concerned they are not married but rather living an adultrous life so may be they both were able to come to terms with this fact and and are restituiting by stopping the adultery coz as far as God is concerned only death nulifies a marriage , not even adultery as you are expected to forgive 70 *7 times daily, the bible says all sins shall be forgiven except against the holy spirit so even adultery is forgivable. anyway, i wish both of them well, and i pray they find the peace of the almighty. i also pray for all those in marital agonies that the good lord should heal them where ever they are hurting and not allow the devil to deceive them into divorcing – that is if the marriage is legitimate before the almighty God.
What is a Christian Leader?
This is someone who has demonstrated fruitfulness in their own life if faith and that God has placed him or her into a position of reproducing their life in those who follow them.
A question for anyone who takes on a position of leadership, is whether you want to see your life, in detail, reproduced in someone else. The minister of God is held to a higher standard simply because of the potential that others will follow them in all areas of life. In godliness, or ungodliness.
The “Bar” is set much higher for anyone leading, so let’s not waste our effort on crying out for “fairness” or that we need to not ‘judge, lest we be judged’. Take in the whole counsel of scripture, not a verse here and there and then evaluate any leader based on what Paul laid out for the selection of a one who might be entrusted with the task of leading others in their faith. Faithfulness, integrity, humility, devotion to a personal faith and even simple matters such as whether the Christian leader has demonstrated that in the most essential arena of his/her life: Marriage and Parenting!
Don’t confuse the fact that we are all in need of a Savior, or that we are all “Wounded Healers” (if we’re any good for God’s purposes at all!) and that we’re all in need of Grace. But it’s not a level playing field when an individual is entrusted to ministry.
Where is the redemption? Doubtless, it is just around the corner if the Whites choose to seek healing no matter the price. Any dream of being able to continue in ministry must be under the supervision of a spiritual mentor who is able to keep a clear head and not be sucked into a the web that money and power can’t mire judgement of that mentor.
Redemption is certainly (as always) attainable, but show a willingness to submit to God’s healing and get out of the limelight. Why, so the followers of the Whites don’t re-write their theology to accomodate the Whites selfish interest to remain in ministry without any period of separation from public ministry and leadership.
Just take a year, or two, or ten and get reconciled to God, and perhaps each other if they are willing to pay the price. But please, let’s not just try to sidestep with an “oops” confession so you can keep your machine running.
Let’s see essential religion in practice here to see if the White mean business:
He has showed you, O man, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
Micah 6:8
It’s not about being Nice to the Whites, it’s about integrity in following The Lord and letting his redemptive plan (and time frame) under the leadership of ministers who have the ability to lead the Whites into biblical Christianity that looks at the fruit they can produce and patience to let an able minister direct them on if/when they can return to ministry.
I am the only son of a Pastor. I write this asking for prayer from some authentic Christians.
Your subject bought me here through my search, trying to handle the stress of my Dad’s adultery and abuse on our family. Like I said, we (My Mom, me & my 2 sisters) need prayers from some authentic Christians.
My Mom and Dad once had a good ministry, working together and people were helped, lives were changed and God was glorified. My Dad fell from grace chasing money! “The love of money is the root of ALL evil!”
I don’t like fake prosperity “momoney-momoney-momoney teachers or Pastors and ministers that also have shaky marriages! Men like my Father always preaching prosperity (75% of the time) working on his 3rd marriage, saying he’s about to build a ministry with an adulterous woman while still married to my Mother! I’m speaking out from my heart and a true testimony!
I am a teenager but I want to share my opinion with you about your subject of abuse, ministers and divorce.
I feel that many so called men of God are not true men of God! They are hypocrites, fakes, adulterers, liars and selfish. They are full of hipe but no real Holy Ghost to live right, love their wives like Christ loves the Church, or treat their families right!
They read the Bible but do not ever see their own wrongs, pray about them & try to get power from God to right on the homefront!
If they are like my Father they let money, pride and ego guide them. If they have a good wife that is an authentic Christian & she challenges them to live Holy, have family prayer, and take care of their family like the Bible commands, they look for a wicked woman that will stroke their egos, not challenge them to Holiness!
I saw my own Father do this. He used to want to live right but the root of all evil took over his soul & he became a mean hearted, abusive man & is an adulterer!
All those sermons he preached but he can’t live nothing!
He stopped believing in God’s word & trying to love right. He found a wealthy woman to get with and started sending slander out on my Mother, passing the buck on his wife for his wrong actions & blaming me & mys little sister: his children for hard times, abuse & the reason he wanted to divorce my Mother.
How many of these fake preachers like him are out there?!!
I am hurt and mad because I see how a man can be respected by people in his family like his Mother & brother. He can even be respected by the Church & live so wrong, hurting his family at home!
I am learning shakespere in my homeschool next semester so I will probably spell this word wrong but let me say I have been in the church my whole life and many men in the so called Spirit filled body of Christ that are preaching & acting like they are anointed are fleshly living “narcissists!”
I know this first hand through the life of my Dad, who I wish I wasn’t named after.
He has fooled a lot of people and my Mother has covered for him for many years. But, I am going to start letting people know how he hurt his family, abused us and stop supporting us & is in adultery with a sister from my Mom’s women’s ministry that visited our church!
I’m not gonna blame the women some people wrote about. I read my Bible. Let’s look at Adam & Eve in the Garden & deal with Adam, just like God did! Men need to stop passing the buck! I will be man soon. Even though I’m young, I know right from wrong! I’m writing this to tell you that I believe Christian men need to man up in Christ and start living right! They are supposed to lead by example!
It’s a shame Sister Bynum was abused by her own husband. I don’t care what anybody says, what he did to her was like a nightmare! It was abusive, & wicked! I hope people pray for her because I saw my Mom & my little sister abused by my Dad & it’s a terrible thing! It hurt my soul so bad, it was worse than him punching me!I am too thin & small to fight him off. But I will fight him if he ever comes near us again to abuse us. This is why I feel people should have mercy of Sister Bynum because I know what it’s like for a big, grown man to hurt you with his hands & fists.
Many of them men in the Church are no good! They are wolves in sheeps clothing! It’s hard for women to tell people in the Church if their husbands are no good! It’s hard for P.K.’s to tell too. We all suffer in silence but I am breaking my silence! Christian women: they always want to protect their husbands reputation, especially if he is a minister. My Mom has prayed for a long time with us for my Dad. Hoping he would change. I don’t know what’s up with Sister Paula White and Randy but I could guess. I only hope things were not too bad. Even if you don’t like their ministries, (White and Bynum)they still need your prayers. Christ would want us to pray for them.
I hope the truediscernment leaders and Christians that come to this site will pray for all Christian wives & children of ministers and Church leaders that have been mistreated or abused.
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I’ll be honest, I don’t think I can pray for my Dad anymore. I hope you pray for him. My Mother still does & I refuse to join her. My Dad is a pathological liar now. He has no fear of God, just like Sister Bynum’s husband and thinks he will get away with abusing us & committing adultery. He even told us in a handwritten letter that he’s gonna start a new ministry with another woman. (rememeber: He is still married to my Mom. The other woman is a wealthy lady he is in adultery with.)
I hope God gives my Mom a new life & that she turns my Dad in to the police because he will not admit all that he did to us. Imagine this: He punched my little sister in the ,outh, making her mouth bleed & loosening her bottom teeth. He wouldn’t let her out of the car & told her she better not tell. He did all that in the car to her, not once but twice. I was even there for one of the punches. We held it from my Mom for a while. When my Mother approaced him & asked him to please go to counseling & to pray with her about it, My dad denied it. He told her she has to believe him over us! This man is a minister! has no problem getting up in a pulpit, teaching on a Christian blogradio show or counseling others.
I am sad to say, my sisters, Mom and I are victims of divorce, adultery, everybody should be a millionaire gospel & abuse! . All because my Dad is in his flesh & bound by the devil with rage, bitterness, & the love of money. He is messed up like alot of those popular preachers with a fake anointing! They can shout, speak in a tongue but can’t live right.
I’ve been told I was called to preach. I’m only 13 years old now, but one thing is sure: I will not be like that hypocrite, adulterer and abusive Father of mine that I wish I wasn’t named after. Just call me BJ when you pray for me & my poor Mother and sisters. We need prayers from some authentic Christians.
I’m gonna leave my Mom’s email if you want to send her a prayer. Please don’t send her anything mean. She’s been through enough already. Better yet, send nothing to us in email. Just pray. If my dad see’s it, he’ll probobly come over to our house or my Mom’s studio and start trouble.
Sick of fake preachers,
BJ
BJ,
first off thank you for opening your heart in your comments, you can rest assured that we will be praying for you, your mother, sisters and I know it may be hard at this point to accept but your father as well.
I do believe you do have the gift to be a pastor, your words show that you have good Biblical Wisdom inside of you. Dont let this get away from you!
I know that it is very hard for you right now and the natural tendency is to feel hard at your father. But dont let this turn you hard. The only winner will be the devil. He will have defeated not only your father but you as well! Dont let him do that. Pray to God to give you a heart to pray for your father.
It may seem hard to accept but your father needs your prayers more than ever right now. As long as he breathes there is always hope that God will open his eyes and make him turn in repentence.
But most of all no matter what happens do not let any of it steal your faith in Jesus Christ. All of us can fall, it is only by the Grace of God that we do not !
But I know that at your age it can be a very hurtful experience to see your own father fall so hard and the damage and hurt it can cause.
I hope you dont mind but I did not include any of the names. I trust with your great Biblical Wisdom that you have you will understand why:,
Deuteronomy 19:15
One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
This does not mean that I do not believe that what you are telling me is not true, but just that Biblically I cannot publish direct personal names and hence make accusations without there being more than one public witness to what you speak of.
God Bless You BJ and your family, Christians are praying for all of you! If you ever want someone to talk to in confidence you can email me directly at my email address on my about page, I would be more than happy to correspond with you and any other way I can help.
Take Care and stand fast in your faith!
John
BJ, we are here for you and believe in you and in your story. I do not doubt for a minute that what you say in the absolute truth. I encourage you to keep communicating your story out loud to people. There are numerous forums that will allow the details of your situation to be printed. I understand the viewpoints of those who wish to remain conservative in what they print, but I also understand your motivations for printing the details. I know it took a lot of courage for you to write it all down. My family and I are real Christians and we will be praying for you and your family.
You are a brave young man. Keep loving God and allow Him to keep your heart pliable. Don’t let one stoney heart turn yours into the same. God loves you and as your heavenly Father, He will never betray your trust, your love, your innocence or your virtue.
Blessings dear BJ, blessings.
Mrs. Susanne Guinn
guinnfamilyatcox.net
This is a sad moment for the Body in America, but one that does not surprise God at all. Judgement must begin in the house of God. Two things should be considered. This is either the chastening hand of God or the onslaught of the enemy or a combination of both. At any rate, truth shall prevail and God will be glorified. Personally, I believe that the spirit of jezebel is in the midst of it all. Read T. Pugh’s book, “A Step Into Deliverance” an engrossing autobiography about one pastor’s amazing battle with and ultimate defeat over the spirit of jezebel.
Read, “A Step Into Deliverance” by T. Pugh. It will explain much of what’s going on.
I only came to hear about Paula White 2 years ago when my mother was battling ovarian cancer. A year ago (Jan. 2007) I stopped watching her t.v. ministry because I discerned in my spirit that something was not right.
My thoughts come from the perspective of a pastor’s wife and one called to preach the Word of God, living by example, first and foremost.
First, if their ministries went seperate directions, its because their priorities were not in right order to begin with. Your personal relationship with God comes first, then if married, your marriage comes second, and your ministry or other pursuits thirdly and so on. There is no doubt that for ministry couples the Church can easily pull you away from one another. But as a couple you make a commitment to EACH OTHER, not to your ministries, at an altar before God.
Christ gave only one reason for divorce and that is MARITAL UNFAITHFULNESS. If there was unfaithfulness, to admit that would be damaging to both of them to the point of damaging them financially. We may never know the truth, but we know the ONE who does. And one day, the day of Judgment, will come and bring it to light. God will blow His fire upon their works and they will be revealed for what they are: gold, silver or costly stones; or wood, hay or stubble. They may not give a true account to us, but they will give one to God.
As Christians we must always pray and ask God for discernment, so that we can test the spirits, and discern whether they are good or evil. Fellow brothers and sisters you too will be held accountable for the ministries you support. God calls you to be good stewards with the portion He gives you. Support ministries founded on the pure and unadulterated WORD of GOD who’s leaders exemplify holiness in public as well as privately. This means you need to be in the WORD and know the WORD in order to hold yourself and others accountable. Jesus said you will know a tree by its fruit.
God help Randy and Paula to be honest with YOU, themselves, and others. That is the start on the road to repentence and reconciliation.
God bless all of you. Draw near to Him and He will draw near to you. Remember “draw near” to HIM, not to the latest fascinating preacher.
Elizabeth
it is time that the real,real.real!!! people of “God”, to pray and to get this fales preachers out of T.B.N. Doyou not realize thatChrist Jesus is in you-unless,of course, you fail the test? 2Corinthians 13, read it. Hidden screts will be revealed
God bless
we will keep on praying for this youmg people to open their eyes and look upon the lord Jesus. the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
Read the book of Acts people. Jesus established His church: A local New Testament Church for each of us. A church without walls…is doomed to fall. Saved baptized added to the church; went out from the church, gave a report back to the church. The ministries (missions) were controlled by the church; through the church and will so continue. Upon this rock I will build by church. A local visible church; if it cannot be located it is not a church. Not a building but rather a people saved baptized into (added unto) that which Jesus founded not some isolated ministries going out to established such porosity and great gain for them self. To stop such SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL NEW TESTAMENT CHURCHES: Matt. 28:19-20 of whom Jesus gave the commission unto. Ministries such as this getting fat but the poor goes hungry: God open our hearts and put the money back into your Churches.
She is not, never has been and NEVER will be REAL! She did not submit to her own husband because she is unregenerate! She has concocted her own “Christ” and has
used her ungodly culture’s approval of feminism, ecumenical perversion and rebellion to the Authority of Scripture as stepping stones to elevate herself onto the popular stage of depravity – while riding on the carpet of pseudo religion.
And all for what? Her “following” has revealed just how many are willing to be deceived by a female personality.
Her actions have revealed a horrifying selfishness that
oozes from women who have stubbornly defined themselves as independent females. She will forever live
independently from the Lord Jesus Christ throughout all
eternity. And her awful pervesion of God’s Holy Word, the
Bible, has exposed her ignorance of Who Christ really IS!
The first biblical hermeneutical principle IN the only legitimate and proper method of biblical interpretation is –
When it makes plain sense, Seek no other sense. She has
purported herself as a preacher, while God has forbidden her from doing so all along. His repudiation of her will not
be without condemnation! And you actually listened to her
sickening speeches on stage while she stomped about in
movements more befitting of a rebellious teen age girl who just got grounded by her father? Her life is a disgusting representation of a human being… She is no Christian… and she will NEVER have the capacity to be a lady.
MARK S. BIAS
Sounds like Paula and Randy have failed to lay down their egos and agendas. Divorce is not of God….God did not lead them to do this…this is their own selfish agenda. You don’t quit just because it doesn’t feel good anymore. Paula preaches a gospel of overcoming…with Christ anything is possible….except in her marriage of course….she’s exempt. It’s time to lay down egos, pride, self pleasing agendas, preaching for prosperity sake and get back to the basics of God’s word. Little less talking and a little more walking!
Hopefully she is not someone who Paul and did not want to be, ..a castaway, ..after having preached to others! But we in America, not all of us, of course, follow personalities rather than principle and we need to follow the Lord and not some charismatic leader and we would have less deception and more disciplined and astute people in our pews. Jesus told us to be as wise as serpents, not just harmless as doves. this is theside which is forgotten, when discerning a leaders faults and the readiness to forgive them. They really Both should have stepped down and really prayed and thought about what has happened in their life. This kind of experience takes your emotions and spirit through a whirlwind and you cannot really function effectively over the house of God while going thru a divorce. I would think the concern from these 2 people and others like them, would be for the flock and the people in general whuo are affected by their actions! It shows a real lack of wisdom and immaturity to tread on in the “ministry” when they are going thru a divorce. The gifts of God are without repentance, but I would not like to hear , when expecting to hear, “well done my faithful servant, …depart from me I never knew you!!!!!!!!!!!
True christian couples would seek after the face of God before making a horrible decision like this. Their ministry is now a lie. If there was no adultry, then they are wrong for this action. What they are doing is selfish!
I wish we had true leaders today
Traditional views of women (and their place in the local church) that are rooted in biblical doctrines have been used by God throughout history to improve respect for women, not opress them. Biblical Christians recognize that God’s Word places some restrictions on the ministries of women in the local church. Unfortunately, satan has deceived women into focusing on what they have been forbidden to do by God. As such, this fuels their misguided passions into presenting themselves for service in positions for which Christ did not design them for or call them to.
Yet, a regenerate believer does not believe God made women inferior to men, but that He just made them different from men. Some of the main parts God has designed for a woman to function in His body are those of a submissive learner, a gifted trainer (of children as long as the wife is submissive to her husband and submissive to male pastor/leadership in her New Testament Church), a skilled hostess and a humble servant.
There is no reason to express more rebellion by disobeying Christ in this matter. SCRIPTURE DEFINES the roles of women in the Church and the Family – YOU DON’T. GOD HAS ALREADY SPOKEN TO THIS ISSUE!
Jesus warned us about false prophets coming in his name – how many more will come and deceive even the very elect if possible? Jesus said that you cannot serve two masters – God and mammon. The true Church of Jesus Christ needs to wake up and flee from these false ministries and their selfish gospel rhetoric! Stick to the Word of God and stop putting away your (hopefully correct bibles) away as soon these teachers begin spreading their heresies among congregations! Even in the body of Christ people need to really go beyond the supposedly gift of discernment and study or research the beginning of so many false ministries – check out the origins of the likes of Fred Price (former jehova witness, TD James (does not believe in the Spirit Holy!), Creflo Dollar (mammon preacher – look at his last name!). There are so many false teachers today and the blind are leading the blind! Search the scriptures for yourselves – Wake up America!
This is a result of people believing modern heretic ministries such as Paula White along with ministries of Creflo Dollar, Benny Hinn, TD Jakes (hype ministries); Yvette Flounder (reprobate ministries); Carlton Pearson (all-inclusive gospel); Bobby Jones (gay church infiltrator), TBN, hopefully not TCT – still suspect, Joel Osteen (goody two-shoe preacher), Juanita Bynum and many more. Do your own research people – these highly well known idolators have crept into the Church and have walked after their own lusts and have merchandise of the highly ‘anointed’ self ego blinded followers and supporters of these heretics will be held accountable for supporting such ministries! Wake up America! Check out ‘The Great Apostasy’ / ‘They Sold Their Souls For Rock and Roll’ – Get into the Word of God for yourself. Many of our modern day Christian entertaining leaders have sold their souls to the devil! Let’s not talk about Jay-Z (backward masking – Murder Jesus – believes he is a God – what are the hand signals about? Now we see Christian entertainers demonstrating baphomet signs (Amy Grant, Venessa Bell Armstrong and many others – get into the Word of God American Christians! We are being duped!
It is not for the best interest of the church as the body of Christ when considerng the standard and laid principles for those desiring to be Leaders,the rate of divorce within the faith is showcasing the weakess on the part of the preachers or exposing the means and the kingdom of which they represent.
It’s just like the bible says; these people want to be decieved; God is exsposing these imposters; yet the people keep pouring in to see Paula White( a false prophet) U idiots; Their not there for the Holyspirit to show up; but for a thief and liar; YAUL are what God calls men pleasers; GOD IS A JEALOUS GOD AND THERE SHALL NOT BE ANYONE OR ANY THING ABOVE HIM; PSALM 3 GIVE HOMEAGE TO THE SON. LESS HE BE ANGRY AND YE PARISH IN THE WAY.( IN HIS ANGER) -GIVE HIM RESPECT!!!!!!
next…..! always with these ‘Christians’ ruining the name!!!! go away, paula and the rest of you!!!!! you bring shame to the Lord’s name!!!!!
I believe they and others like themselves have taken on much too much more than God requires of them and hence find themselves into almost ‘inhumanistic’ NOT INHUMANE, problems, so much so that the struggles lead them to do crazy unimaginable things, like deciding that all of a SUDDEN we need to divorce to lead our lives and be all God has called us to be…so I ask what have u been doing all this time….PLAYACTING